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I posted something just now about foods I eat now that I know I have sever acid reflux. Has anyone seen a nutritionist for in-depth detailed discussion of what they can and cannot eat? I was told a number of things to stay away from and they are all the things I eat! (used to eat). I am thinking of asking my doctor to refer me to a nutritionist. I might check my insurance coverage to see if its covered. i guess its not. But I might just go on my own in that case. Has anyone done this? was it covered? How much did it cost? Many thanks to HawkTear and others who have put up heartburn diet web pages. But I need much more detail. i need a list of hundreds of foods and their acidity content as well as nutritive content and even interaction with prescribed heartburn medicines. I would like to know what spices or condiments I can have without causing an acid attack. i need to know if I drink Kava low-acid coffee, will it cause me problems? I eat many different things so sometimes I don’t know what caused my heartburn. sometimes the reaction is delayed so its even harder to tell. And somtimes anyhting, even water sets it off for me. Some things are however difinitely worse than others. If such a page does not exist would there be any interest among the readers if I go ahead and create such a web resource? I just don;t want to reinvent the wheel. -JG
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>I eat many different things so sometimes I don’t know what caused my >heartburn. sometimes the reaction is delayed so its even harder to >tell. And somtimes anyhting, even water sets it off for me. Some >things are however difinitely worse than others.
Not everyone is affected by the same food or drink. For instance, my mother cannot eat mustard or drink lemonade. I can without a problem. The whole matter is further complicated by the fact that a little of something may be ok but more is not. I have even found that I can tolerate something for a meal or two but if I repeat the same thing over two or three days it can cause a problem. So, while a list of foods and drink that have the potential of causing problems for people with reflux could be made, an exact list would be impossible to compile. As you have noticed it takes a lot of individual testing to see if something will create a problem or not. Any effort to create a web source for a Gerd diet would be most appreciated. Perhaps it could start off with a list of foods most likely to cause problems. You may even be able to gather some data on offending foods. For instance if a person with Gerd knew that coffee bothered 85% of the group tested and they are drinking a lot of coffee, they might be able to expedite their own recovery. Let me know if you pursue this. I would be glad to link to your page from the Heartburn-help.com web site. Heartburn and Gastro Esophageal Reflux web page: http://www.heartburn-help.com
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here is the post I referred to: I have hiatus hernia and have burned by esophagus a bit. I used to eat anything. I now regularly consume : bananas fresh spinach peas in the pod, washed, uncooked apples peaches prunes skim milk milk with carnation instant breakfast in it grapes bread and light margarine or a little jelly mixed vegetables, steamed corn on the cob, no butter, a little salt broiled chicken breast, made without spices fish filets (the frozen easy to make kind) I think just in the above you would get many vitamins and minerals and in their natural form they would be absorbed well in the intestines. I add a little red meat occasionally to be sure I am getting all the proteins I need. A little peanut butter will add protein too, its good on plain saltine crackers but goes down better on a small roll. Adequate water, drank slowly, will help the body function properly, and i assume that means it will help the body process what nutrients it gets and get rid of what it doesnt need. I am just learning how to eat with severe acid reflux disease. It will take practice and discipline. But I hope that out of this will come a diet healther than I had before I worried about acidity. My point is you can find a variety of foods you can eat and enjoy and provide yourself the nutrition you need. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I posted something just now about foods I eat now that I know I have >sever acid reflux. >Has anyone seen a nutritionist for in-depth detailed discussion of >what they can and cannot eat? I was told a number of things to stay >away from and they are all the things I eat! (used to eat). >I am thinking of asking my doctor to refer me to a nutritionist. I >might check my insurance coverage to see if its covered. >i guess its not. But I might just go on my own in that case. >Has anyone done this? was it covered? How much did it cost? >Many thanks to HawkTear and others who have put up heartburn diet web >pages. But I need much more detail. i need a list of hundreds of foods >and their acidity content as well as nutritive content and even >interaction with prescribed heartburn medicines. I would like to know >what spices or condiments I can have without causing an acid attack. i >need to know if I drink Kava low-acid coffee, will it cause me >problems? >I eat many different things so sometimes I don’t know what caused my >heartburn. sometimes the reaction is delayed so its even harder to >tell. And somtimes anyhting, even water sets it off for me. Some >things are however difinitely worse than others. >If such a page does not exist would there be any interest among the >readers if I go ahead and create such a web resource? >I just don;t want to reinvent the wheel. >-JG
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"JG" == "Jim Griffin" writes: The list mentioned peanut butter. I love it but it’s incredibly full of fat and oils. Probably best to stay away from it because fats and oils are harder to digest. JG> prunes Besides being okay on my acid-burn, prunes also help keep ya regular because all those OTC antacids are really constipating (to me, anyway).. JG> skim milk Yes.. even though they taste better, avoid regular fatty milk and half’n'half, etc. Full of fat. Fat is hard to digest. Causes more acid production. JG> broiled chicken breast, made without spices I’ve been buying Tyson’s roasted skinless boneless breasts of chicken and eating them lately. They’re already cooked and cold at the store in the meat dept. An expensive cut but usually 100% edible, so nothing to waste. I’ve also been eating a lot of cereal (Cheerios, Special-K, Rice Krispies, etc.. non sugared, low fat very plain cereals with just skim milk over them). JG> I am just learning how to eat with severe acid reflux disease. It will JG> take practice and discipline. But I hope that out of this will come a JG> diet healther than I had before I worried about acidity. Indeed. Not to mention you’ll probably lose weight. I’ve probably shed 10-15 lbs. in the past three weeks of going through a bad bout of acid reflux syndrome. I know I’m losing weight because I had to drill a new hole in my belt so I could make it tighter because my pants have been falling off! ::blush:: Harv — AmigaZone! New lower price! Visit http://www.amigazone.com for info.
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> I’ve also been eating a lot of cereal (Cheerios, Special-K, Rice > Krispies, etc.. non sugared, low fat very plain cereals with just skim > Indeed. Not to mention you’ll probably lose weight. I’ve probably > shed 10-15 lbs. in the past three weeks of going through a bad bout of > acid reflux syndrome. I know I’m losing weight because I had to drill > a new hole in my belt so I could make it tighter because my pants have > been falling off! ::blush:: > Harv > —
Moses here: If your still suffering, you need treatment. And I don’t mean H-2 blocker like Pepcid, Zantac, Axid, or Tagamet; rather I mean the proton pump inhibitors. If 15 milligrams of Prevacid doesn’t work then have your doctor prescribe 30 milligrams which costs about the same as the 15 milligrams capsule. Some say Prilosec is slightly more effective which maybe because the two doses are 20 milligrams and 40 milligrams, it however is about 5 US dollars per day at the 40 milligram dose. The Prevacids and the other lower Prilosec are about 3.50 dollars per day. One capsule is used per day. Poorly controlled acid reflux is a esophageal cancer risk. Consider the surgury which will cost around 15 000 US dollars here in the States. Understand, it doesn’t always work or last. Though it will often take care of the HH even if it fails, as the a large HH can press on the heart (no, I am not talking about the heart burn—acid reflux) which isn’t said to be good. Also there is the risk too that the surgury will be too tight which causes problems swallowing. However, if the acid reflux let to go on, patients—GERD suffers will tend to suffer a narrowing of esophagus due the on going acid burn scarring. And thus they will have the same problem swallowing. Sincerely Moses Clarke PS Typos typos ….a bird that burns and burns again Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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"MC" == "Moses Clarke" writes: MC> Moses here: If your still suffering, you need treatment. And I MC> don’t mean H-2 blocker like Pepcid, Zantac, Axid, or Tagamet; rather MC> I mean the proton pump inhibitors. If 15 milligrams of Prevacid doesn’t MC> work then have your doctor prescribe 30 milligrams which costs about MC> the same as the 15 milligrams capsule. Some say Prilosec is slightly MC> more effective which maybe because the two doses are 20 milligrams and MC> 40 milligrams, it however is about 5 US dollars per day at the 40 MC> milligram dose. The Prevacids and the other lower Prilosec are about MC> 3.50 dollars per day. One capsule is used per day. I saw my Dr. 3 weeks ago for the problem. He gave me a free 2-week doctor’s sample supply of Prevacid, 30mg caps and told me to take one a day. Didn’t help much. So he doubled the dosage and for the past few days I’ve been taking 1 twice a day. It’s helped a lot.. at least I want to think the $114 I paid for the next 30 caps is what turned off the burning. There’s always a possibility that it went away by itself, I suppose there’s no way to really know, but after he had me double the dosage Ifelt a lot better after 2-3 days. Plus I radically changed my eating habits.. cut out ALL caffiene drinks (I never drank coffee anyway which is full of acid and always upset me) like sodas, all citrus products (sigh.. I LOVE orange juice too), all fatty foods, all chocolates, all spicy foods of any kind, etc. etc. I’ve stifled myself onto a very bland diet for three weeks, and drinking almost nothing but water and the skim milk I put on cereal. Again, I don’t know if it was the double dosing of Prevacid, the change in diet, or the natural course of healing or a combination of all three, but it seems to be working. Harv — AmigaZone! New lower price! Visit http://www.amigazone.com for info.
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I > I saw my Dr. 3 weeks ago for the problem. He gave me a free 2-week > doctor’s sample supply of Prevacid, 30mg caps and told me to take one > a day. Didn’t help much. So he doubled the dosage and for the past > few days I’ve been taking 1 twice a day. It’s helped a lot.. at least > I want to think the $114 I paid for the next 30 caps is what turned off the > burning. > There’s always a possibility that it went away by itself, I
Sorry, not too likely. > suppose there’s no way to really know, but after he had me double the > dosage Ifelt a lot better after 2-3 days. Plus I radically changed my > eating habits.. cut out ALL caffiene drinks (I never drank coffee > anyway which is full of acid and always upset me) like sodas, all > citrus products (sigh.. I LOVE orange juice too), all fatty foods, all > chocolates, all spicy foods of any kind, etc. etc. I’ve stifled > myself onto a very bland diet for three weeks, and drinking almost > nothing but water and the skim milk I put on cereal. > Again, I don’t know if it was the double dosing of Prevacid, the > change in diet, or the natural course of healing or a combination of > all three, but it seems to be working. > Harv > —
Moses here: I did a web search using the search word pantoprazole. I found a small study that strongly indicated the Prilosec is the better drug for reflux. With Prilosec, I be willing to bet you could at least add some spicy foods back into your diet. That is after, you get healed up. Sincerely Moses Clarke Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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>There’s always a possibility that it went away by itself<
I do know a very few people that found that only after a month of Prevacid or Prilosec the heartburn did not return but I would have to agree with Moses…Not too likely. Generally within three days of stopping the medication the heartburn resumes. Heartburn and Gastro Esophageal Reflux web page: http://www.heartburn-help.com
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>I did a web search using the search word pantoprazole. I found a small study
that strongly indicated the Prilosec is the better drug for reflux.< Do you happen to have the http for that study? The only study I have found thus far showed Prevacid slightly stronger in cross over studies. Heartburn and Gastro Esophageal Reflux web page: http://www.heartburn-help.com
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> >I did a web search using the search word pantoprazole. I found a small study > that strongly indicated the Prilosec is the better drug for reflux.< > Do you happen to have the http for that study? The only study I have found thus > far showed Prevacid slightly stronger in cross over studies. > Heartburn and Gastro Esophageal Reflux web page:
http://www.heartburn-help.com Moses here: Perhaps it all depends on the dose levels of the respective drugs used in the drug comparison studies. Here is the www address for the site, I mentioned. http://www.mednet.ca/html/mn9808.htm Here is another site to compare…be sure to note that the dosages used in the study there are different than the study mentioned above. Therefore, the conclusions are a bit different. So maybe, it is all matter of getting a big enough dose per day. I was looking at Canadian web site and it seemed that some of the drugs were formulated with lower amounts of drug per capsule!!? Which might be alright for an acid stomach but not GERD. Sincerely Moses Clarke PS Typos typos… a bird that stayed in school rather than fly north in the 1960’s. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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>Perhaps it all depends on the dose levels of the respective drugs used in the
drug comparison studies.< I suspect you are right. I will dig up the study I mentioned and see if I can compare apples and apples. I will let you know what I find. Thanks for the link. If you have any other links you think people might benefit from please send them to me. I will post them on the heartburn-help site. Heartburn and Gastro Esophageal Reflux web page: http://www.heartburn-help.com
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Moses here: > Perhaps it all depends on the dose levels of the respective > drugs used in the drug comparison studies. Here is the www address for > the site, I mentioned. http://www.mednet.ca/html/mn9808.htm > Here is another site to compare…be sure to note that the dosages used > in the study there are different than the study mentioned above. > Therefore, the conclusions are a bit different. > So maybe, it is all matter of getting a big enough dose per day. I was > looking at Canadian web site and it seemed that some of the drugs > were formulated with lower amounts of drug per capsule!!? Which might be > alright for an acid stomach but not GERD. > Sincerely Moses Clarke
Who censored my posting?? The other site was a AMA site not a spam site! http://www.ama-assn.org/sci-pubs/journals/archive/inte/vol-159/no_7/ira8 0013.htm Assuming I got address correct? I not sure if it was vol_159 or vol-159? Sincerely M.C. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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I have had acid reflux with the only symptoms being sore throat and an esophagal muscle spasm (no gastritis etc) and finally have been diagnosed with a hiatal hernia. I have been reading about green grasses in many nutrition magazines and how they help to neutralize stomach acid and help digestive problems. I have just started to use a product called "Barleygreen" and I have great hopes for it. (I want to avoid medication). Find it on the website called www.purplemountainproducts.com and lets share our experience and hopefully relief! fellowsufferer > I posted something just now about foods I eat
now that I know I have > sever acid reflux. > Has anyone seen a nutritionist for in-depth
detailed discussion of > what they can and cannot eat? I was told a
number of things to stay > away from and they are all the things I eat! (used to eat). > I am thinking of asking my doctor to refer me to a nutritionist. I > might check my insurance coverage to see if its covered. > i guess its not. But I might just go on my own in that case. > Has anyone done this? was it covered? How much did it cost? > Many thanks to HawkTear and others who have put
up heartburn diet web > pages. But I need much more detail. i need a
list of hundreds of foods > and their acidity content as well as nutritive content and even > interaction with prescribed heartburn medicines.
I would like to know > what spices or condiments I can have without
causing an acid attack. i – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> need to know if I drink Kava low-acid coffee, will it cause me > problems? > I eat many different things so sometimes I don’t know what caused my > heartburn. sometimes the reaction is delayed so its even harder to > tell. And somtimes anyhting, even water sets it off for me. Some > things are however difinitely worse than others. > If such a page does not exist would there be any interest among the > readers if I go ahead and create such a web resource? > I just don;t want to reinvent the wheel. > -JG
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Moses here: While you’re experimenting don’t just think about neutralizing the acid, also think about protectively coating the esophagus. Gaviscon works not only by it antacid..alumium hydroxide but also by the alginate. Alginate foams and coats the esophagus. In theory, the edible aloe products may have some modest benefit. Just remember that as you mess around the esophagus will become more and more damaged. Hopefully, you quit coffee, pop, chocolate, peanut butter, tomatoe products, and mint tea. And you have jack the head end of your bed up on concrete blocks. And quit eating 3 hours before bed. See other posters for other conservative ideas. Understand, I am in the pro-surgury camp mostly. Though I know the surgury fails for some over time. There is a cancer risk not treating as perhaps there is treating with PPI drugs though that isn’t proven yet. The grass products are at best in the aloe camp of effectiveness. You don’t sound like a mild case. Note to digective problems are different from reflux. Beware there are an amazing number of people who want to sell something…..Buyer beware..alt world treatments & orthodox. Sincerely Moses Clarke PS Typos typos…a bird species often found among my posts. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have had acid reflux with the only symptoms > being sore throat and an esophagal muscle spasm > (no gastritis etc) and finally have been > diagnosed with a hiatal hernia. I have been > reading about green grasses in many nutrition > magazines and how they help to neutralize > stomach acid and help digestive problems. I > have just started to use a product called > "Barleygreen" and I have great hopes for it. > (I want to avoid medication). > Find it on the website called > www.purplemountainproducts.com > and lets share our experience and hopefully > relief! > fellowsufferer > I posted something just now about foods I eat > now that I know I have > sever acid reflux. > Has anyone seen a nutritionist for in-depth > detailed discussion of > what they can and cannot eat? I was told a > number of things to stay > away from and they are all the things I eat! > (used to eat). > I am thinking of asking my doctor to refer me to > a nutritionist. I > might check my insurance coverage to see if its > covered. > i guess its not. But I might just go on my own > in that case. > Has anyone done this? was it covered? How much > did it cost? > Many thanks to HawkTear and others who have put > up heartburn diet web > pages. But I need much more detail. i need a > list of hundreds of foods > and their acidity content as well as nutritive > content and even > interaction with prescribed heartburn medicines. > I would like to know > what spices or condiments I can have without > causing an acid attack. i > need to know if I drink Kava low-acid coffee, > will it cause me > problems? > I eat many different things so sometimes I don’t > know what caused my > heartburn. sometimes the reaction is delayed so > its even harder to > tell. And somtimes anyhting, even water sets it > off for me. Some > things are however difinitely worse than others. > If such a page does not exist would there be any > interest among the > readers if I go ahead and create such a web > resource? > I just don;t want to reinvent the wheel. > -JG > Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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most of the symptoms related to acidity are caused by indigestion.. search the web for ayurvedic remedies. The ones for reflux/acidity are based on changes in diet ie., moving towards fresh fruits/vegetables. and avioding frozen/microwable/junk food. Generally food which is easily digestable. buttermilk aids digestion. so does lemon juice mixed in warm water taken three times a day GK – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> this might be useful to some folks in here. > I was getting heartburn till recently.. with symptons like relfux when I > go to sleep.. and pain in the chest. But for the last month I have > started > taking buttermilk after every meal.. and heartburn doesnt bother me > anymore.. > here’s how you do it: > use about 1/4 buttermilk in a glass with 3/4 water. add a pinch of salt. > hope this helps. > G > I believed you until you advised us to take it with a pinch of salt. > Derek. 