Posts tagged: Heartburn Relief

Raising bed heads

Question:

John Que mentioned raising the head of the bed in a post. How successful have NG members been in doing this. We have divan type beds and some years ago we put two bricks under each side of my wifes one. Her need for elevation seemed to diminish and we abandoned the bricks. Last year I put two thick copies of the Yellow Pages directory at the head of my bed. I found that the mattress tended to slip down the base, the pillows moving with it and ended with my feet sticking out at the bottom:-) After a few nights there was a distinctive crack as I got into bed as the strain proved to much for the divan. I went looking for new beds this week and was told by the sales person in one store that beds are not designed to be propped up and that my best option would be to buy a specially designed mechanical bed. I replied that such beds seem be sold by rather sharp salesmen and seem to cost as much as a new car. I had a look in a more sensible bed shop today where the owner agreed that most beds are  not suitable to be propped up as they are either too heavy and often have drawers under then. Other beds have a join in the middle making them unsuitable. His recommendation was for a "hotel" type bed, a base with three legs on either side. I still feel that the pressure on it’s front legs would be too great. He also thought that bricks are not the best option and that shops who sell aids for the disabled have something better to raise the bed with. How have others dealt with the situation? Derek.

Response:

I had the head of my bed frame raised at first back around 1990 with books and they kept falling down. I have a queen size bed with a steel frame with a post or foot at each end and side of the bed. I had a special metal frame built for me at a local metal shop. The frame was built out of aluminum square tubing, about 1" 1/4. The frame was built to look like an upside down "T" with the top of the T becoming the base of the frame. Each leg of the frame is 16" long. Then I have connecting support aluminum tubing run from each side of the bed to the other at the top and bottom. In the top of the frame I had a "V" put in for my bed frame to sit in. It is steady as a rock. Never a move or creak. With this frame I can move it up toward the head or down toward the foot and thus can vary the height of my bed frame. I now have it set at about 17" high. The mattresses don’t move during the night. My wife and I do slide down just a little bit but it doesn’t bother either of us. We have gotten use to it and miss it when we are away. When we are away I put pillows or blankets under my mattress for a temporary answer. The frame cost about $78.00 when I had it built and has been the best money I ever spent to help with GERD. Also please read my comments about Ginger Root Juice. It was a miracle cure for me and I still take it every day. See below. Hiatus Hernia (GERD) (1 of 1) This is my testimonial to the relief I have discovered through Dr. Stoll and the information he furnished about ginger root juice. A brief history about myself and my condition. I am a 57 year old male and have suffered from a hiatal hernia for over 25 years. My condition started many years ago with occasional heartburn. I treated this condition with over-the-counter ant-acids and as the condition worsened I progressed to prescriptions for Zantac 150 mg. Over the years as I would have heartburn, I would take ant-acids and Zantac as needed. In the last two years, my condition became so bad to where I was having heartburn almost constantly. I began to take Zantac 3 to 4 times every day. My esophagus became so sore and sensitive that I began to have problems swallowing. Some days the condition was so bad I could only eat milk and cereal. I began to lose weight. During this time I was seeing three medical doctors. Every doctor prescribed Zantac, Propulsid, Prilosec and Prevacid. I tried every combination of these medicines. Some combinations would give temporary help but the heartburn would return every time and was getting worse. In February of this year, one doctor performed an endoscopy examination which showed some scarring of the esophagus. The treatment remained the same. Take the above medicine and eat only bland foods. Nothing helped and my condition continued to become worse and worse. Just 30 days ago, I was seriously considering an operation to correct the hiatal hernia. A few weeks ago, I began to search the Internet for help for my problem. I was reading messages posted to the Newsgroup alt.support.heartburn and saw a message where a man was having the same problems. We exchanged email and he introduced me to Dr. Stoll and his suggestion that ginger root juice could help my condition. The amazing thing to me was that Dr. Stoll was *not* asking for any money but had posted this treatment on the Internet free to all. When the man I had exchanged email said the ginger root juice had helped him, I decided to try it. I bought a juicer and some ginger root from a local farmer’s market. I started taking the ginger root juice on September 8th. My first taste of the juice did cause a slight burning sensation in my mouth and throat. ( I actually made my wife test it first because I’m such a big chicken) As the juice traveled down my esophagus, I felt a slight warming sensation down my esophagus and into my stomach. The second day, the burning sensation was less and the warm feeling felt good. On the third day, my condition began to improve dramatically. By the fourth day I was able to reduce the amount of Zantac I was taking without having heartburn. On the sixth day of the juice treatment, my wife and I were able to go out and eat a large Italian supper with a hugh chocolate cake covered with chocolate icing. My stomach actually felt good. For the first time in months, I was able to eat a normal meal with no discomfort. I made my second batch of ginger root juice last night. I make enough juice to last a week and keep the juice in the refrigerator. I believe the juice has healed my inflamed esophagus. I intend on taking the juice for several more weeks to make sure my esophagus continues to heal. Some time in the future, I may stop taking the juice but I feel very comfortable in the knowledge that I can start taking the juice again any time I need it. I have felt no side effects from taking the ginger root juice. The cost is insignificant. In addition to the ginger root juice healing my inflamed esophagus, I also feel an overall improved condition of health. After living with a constant, nagging and very painful stomach and esophagus for years, I now have a new and fresh outlook on my life. **I feel great ** I cannot praise and thank Dr. Stoll enough for giving me this information about ginger root juice. I have already emailed Dr. Stoll my personal thanks for his help and I am going to contribute money to him to help him to spread the word about this remarkable cure for Upper Gastrointestinal Symptom Relief. Dr. Stoll was kind enough to personally reply to me about my email. Even that is remarkable in our modern world where the greed for money is the credo for most doctors and people of all walks of life. I am also telling everyone I know about this remarkable cure by email and snail mail. I welcome anyone to email me or call me with questions or comments. Thankfully, Bill Poston 1140 Azalea Circle Marietta, GA 30062 770-973-4590 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >John Que mentioned raising the head of the bed in a post. How successful >have NG members been in doing this. We have divan type beds and some years >ago we put two bricks under each side of my wifes one. Her need for >elevation seemed to diminish and we abandoned the bricks. Last year I put >two thick copies of the Yellow Pages directory at the head of my bed. I >found that the mattress tended to slip down the base, the pillows moving >with it and ended with my feet sticking out at the bottom:-) After a few >nights there was a distinctive crack as I got into bed as the strain proved >to much for the divan. I went looking for new beds this week and was told by >the sales person in one store that beds are not designed to be propped up >and that my best option would be to buy a specially designed mechanical bed. >I replied that such beds seem be sold by rather sharp salesmen and seem to >cost as much as a new car. >I had a look in a more sensible bed shop today where the owner agreed that >most beds are  not suitable to be propped up as they are either too heavy >and often have drawers under then. Other beds have a join in the middle >making them unsuitable. His recommendation was for a "hotel" type bed, a >base with three legs on either side. I still feel that the pressure on it’s >front legs would be too great. He also thought that bricks are not the best >option and that shops who sell aids for the disabled have something better >to raise the bed with. >How have others dealt with the situation? >Derek.

Wild Bill 2, Marietta, Ga. (^_-) email: poston8 [at] comcast [.] net

Response:

A cure, sorry remedy:-) for the injured oesophagus is Manuka  Honey from New Zealand. A tablespoonful is taken three times a day an hour before meals, it has a healing effect and the coating stops irritation when eating food. I had been taking it for six weeks and was much better when I had a blood test. My doctor was horrified that my blood sugar was 14.3 and pronounced me diabetic. I stopped the honey and six weeks later my blood sugar was down to 7.3 and my HbA1c was 6.5.  I cut out my daily slice of cake, my glass of Cranberry juice and five or six butterscotch sweets and the next test had my blood sugar at 3.8.  This week I have started the Manuka honey again but on a much reduced dose. Derek. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I had the head of my bed frame raised at first back around 1990 with > books and they kept falling down. I have a queen size bed with a steel > frame with a post or foot at each end and side of the bed. I had a > special metal frame built for me at a local metal shop. The frame was > built out of aluminum square tubing, about 1" 1/4. The frame was built > to look like an upside down "T" with the top of the T becoming the > base of the frame. Each leg of the frame is 16" long. Then I have > connecting support aluminum tubing run from each side of the bed to > the other at the top and bottom. In the top of the frame I had a "V" > put in for my bed frame to sit in. It is steady as a rock. Never a > move or creak. With this frame I can move it up toward the head or > down toward the foot and thus can vary the height of my bed frame. I > now have it set at about 17" high. The mattresses don’t move during > the night. My wife and I do slide down just a little bit but it > doesn’t bother either of us. We have gotten use to it and miss it when > we are away. When we are away I put pillows or blankets under my > mattress for a temporary answer. The frame cost about $78.00 when I > had it built and has been the best money I ever spent to help with > GERD. > Also please read my comments about Ginger Root Juice. It was a miracle > cure for me and I still take it every day. See below. > Hiatus Hernia (GERD) (1 of 1) > This is my testimonial to the relief I have discovered through Dr. > Stoll and the information he furnished about ginger root juice. > A brief history about myself and my condition. I am a 57 year old male > and have suffered from a hiatal hernia for over 25 years. My condition > started many years ago with occasional heartburn. I treated this > condition with over-the-counter ant-acids and as the condition > worsened I progressed to prescriptions for Zantac 150 mg. Over the > years as I would have heartburn, I would take ant-acids and Zantac as > needed. > In the last two years, my condition became so bad to where I was > having heartburn almost constantly. I began to take Zantac 3 to 4 > times every day. My esophagus became so sore and sensitive that I > began to have problems swallowing. Some days the condition was so bad > I could only eat milk and cereal. I began to lose weight. > During this time I was seeing three medical doctors. Every doctor > prescribed Zantac, Propulsid, Prilosec and Prevacid. I tried every > combination of these medicines. Some combinations would give temporary > help but the heartburn would return every time and was getting worse. > In February of this year, one doctor performed an endoscopy > examination which showed some scarring of the esophagus. The treatment > remained the same. Take the above medicine and eat only bland foods. > Nothing helped and my condition continued to become worse and worse. > Just 30 days ago, I was seriously considering an operation to correct > the hiatal hernia. > A few weeks ago, I began to search the Internet for help for my > problem. I was reading messages posted to the Newsgroup > alt.support.heartburn and saw a message where a man was having the > same problems. We exchanged email and he introduced me to Dr. Stoll > and his suggestion that ginger root juice could help my condition. The > amazing thing to me was that Dr. Stoll was *not* asking for any money > but had posted this treatment on the Internet free to all. When the > man I had exchanged email said the ginger root juice had helped him, I > decided to try it. > I bought a juicer and some ginger root from a local farmer’s market. I > started taking the ginger root juice on September 8th. My first taste > of the juice did cause a slight burning sensation in my mouth and > throat. ( I actually made my wife test it first because I’m such a big > chicken) As the juice traveled down my esophagus, I felt a slight > warming sensation down my esophagus and into my stomach. The second > day, the burning sensation was less and the warm feeling felt good. On > the third day, my condition began to improve dramatically. By the > fourth day I was able to reduce the amount of Zantac I was taking > without having heartburn. On the sixth day of the juice treatment, my > wife and I were able to go out and eat a large Italian supper with a > hugh chocolate cake covered with chocolate icing. My stomach actually > felt good. For the first time in months, I was able to eat a normal > meal with no discomfort. > I made my second batch of ginger root juice last night. I make enough > juice to last a week and keep the juice in the refrigerator. I believe > the juice has healed my inflamed esophagus. I intend on taking the > juice for several more weeks to make sure my esophagus continues to > heal. Some time in the future, I may stop taking the juice but I feel > very comfortable in the knowledge that I can start taking the juice > again any time I need it. I have felt no side effects from taking the > ginger root juice. The cost is insignificant. > In addition to the ginger root juice healing my inflamed esophagus, I > also feel an overall improved condition of health. After living with a > constant, nagging and very painful stomach and esophagus for years, I > now have a new and fresh outlook on my life. > **I feel great ** > I cannot praise and thank Dr. Stoll enough for giving me this > information about ginger root juice. I have already emailed Dr. Stoll > my personal thanks for his help and I am going to contribute money to > him to help him to spread the word about this remarkable cure for > Upper Gastrointestinal Symptom Relief. Dr. Stoll was kind enough to > personally reply to me about my email. Even that is remarkable in our > modern world where the greed for money is the credo for most doctors > and people of all walks of life. > I am also telling everyone I know about this remarkable cure by email > and snail mail. I welcome anyone to email me or call me with questions > or comments. > Thankfully, > Bill Poston > 1140 Azalea Circle > Marietta, GA 30062 > 770-973-4590 >John Que mentioned raising the head of the bed in a post. How successful >have NG members been in doing this. We have divan type beds and some years >ago we put two bricks under each side of my wifes one. Her need for >elevation seemed to diminish and we abandoned the bricks. Last year I put >two thick copies of the Yellow Pages directory at the head of my bed. I >found that the mattress tended to slip down the base, the pillows moving >with it and ended with my feet sticking out at the bottom:-) After a few >nights there was a distinctive crack as I got into bed as the strain proved >to much for the divan. I went looking for new beds this week and was told by >the sales person in one store that beds are not designed to be propped up >and that my best option would be to buy a specially designed mechanical bed. >I replied that such beds seem be sold by rather sharp salesmen and seem to >cost as much as a new car. >I had a look in a more sensible bed shop today where the owner agreed that >most beds are  not suitable to be propped up as they are either too heavy >and often have drawers under then. Other beds have a join in the middle >making them unsuitable. His recommendation was for a "hotel" type bed, a >base with three legs on either side. I still feel that the pressure on it’s >front legs would be too great. He also thought that bricks are not the best >option and that shops who sell aids for the disabled have something better >to raise the bed with. >How have others dealt with the situation? >Derek. > Wild Bill 2, Marietta, Ga. (^_-) > email: poston8 [at] comcast [.] net

Response:

A few question for Bill. Do you use a foam mattress? My inner spring mattress does not do a good job when I set additional 8 inches of elevation at the head.  Do mean an additional 18 inches at the head of your bed? I estimate that your setting (if it is what I think you mean) is at about ~11 degrees from horizontal. Certainly less extreme than sleeping in an easy chair with back at 40 degrees:-) I tried ginger root as a tea of sorts. I cut up an ounce and poured hot water on it. It did not harm as I recall though I didn’t continue. Perhaps a some burning at the bottom of the esophagus. I may have tried it on top of the PPI medication. I’ll try it again sometime, next time with juiced ginger. I am really pleased with betaine HCL and pepsin. My meals seem to be digesting peacefully without acid reflux or nonacid reflux. So far I’ve been using 30 grains per meal or major snack. Each 10 grains costs 6 cents per capsule for 60 to 80 cents per day. With the PPI medications, the meals often justed seem to set in the stomach sometimes for 5 or 6 hours!! I’d get reflux/burping though it didn’t burn. Indeed, even without the PPI meds and no betaine HCL, I got this effect to some extent. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I had the head of my bed frame raised at first back around 1990 with > books and they kept falling down. I have a queen size bed with a steel > frame with a post or foot at each end and side of the bed. I had a > special metal frame built for me at a local metal shop. The frame was > built out of aluminum square tubing, about 1" 1/4. The frame was built > to look like an upside down "T" with the top of the T becoming the > base of the frame. Each leg of the frame is 16" long. Then I have > connecting support aluminum tubing run from each side of the bed to > the other at the top and bottom. In the top of the frame I had a "V" > put in for my bed frame to sit in. It is steady as a rock. Never a > move or creak. With this frame I can move it up toward the head or > down toward the foot and thus can vary the height of my bed frame. I > now have it set at about 17" high. The mattresses don’t move during > the night. My wife and I do slide down just a little bit but it > doesn’t bother either of us. We have gotten use to it and miss it when > we are away. When we are away I put pillows or blankets under my > mattress for a temporary answer. The frame cost about $78.00 when I > had it built and has been the best money I ever spent to help with > GERD. > Also please read my comments about Ginger Root Juice. It was a miracle > cure for me and I still take it every day. See below. > Hiatus Hernia (GERD) (1 of 1) > This is my testimonial to the relief I have discovered through Dr. > Stoll and the information he furnished about ginger root juice. > A brief history about myself and my condition. I am a 57 year old male > and have suffered from a hiatal hernia for over 25 years. My condition > started many years ago with occasional heartburn. I treated this > condition with over-the-counter ant-acids and as the condition > worsened I progressed to prescriptions for Zantac 150 mg. Over the > years as I would have heartburn, I would take ant-acids and Zantac as > needed. > In the last two years, my condition became so bad to where I was > having heartburn almost constantly. I began to take Zantac 3 to 4 > times every day. My esophagus became so sore and sensitive that I > began to have problems swallowing. Some days the condition was so bad > I could only eat milk and cereal. I began to lose weight. > During this time I was seeing three medical doctors. Every doctor > prescribed Zantac, Propulsid, Prilosec and Prevacid. I tried every > combination of these medicines. Some combinations would give temporary > help but the heartburn would return every time and was getting worse. > In February of this year, one doctor performed an endoscopy > examination which showed some scarring of the esophagus. The treatment > remained the same. Take the above medicine and eat only bland foods. > Nothing helped and my condition continued to become worse and worse. > Just 30 days ago, I was seriously considering an operation to correct > the hiatal hernia. > A few weeks ago, I began to search the Internet for help for my > problem. I was reading messages posted to the Newsgroup > alt.support.heartburn and saw a message where a man was having the > same problems. We exchanged email and he introduced me to Dr. Stoll > and his suggestion that ginger root juice could help my condition. The > amazing thing to me was that Dr. Stoll was *not* asking for any money > but had posted this treatment on the Internet free to all. When the > man I had exchanged email said the ginger root juice had helped him, I > decided to try it. > I bought a juicer and some ginger root from a local farmer’s market. I > started taking the ginger root juice on September 8th. My first taste > of the juice did cause a slight burning sensation in my mouth and > throat. ( I actually made my wife test it first because I’m such a big > chicken) As the juice traveled down my esophagus, I felt a slight > warming sensation down my esophagus and into my stomach. The second > day, the burning sensation was less and the warm feeling felt good. On > the third day, my condition began to improve dramatically. By the > fourth day I was able to reduce the amount of Zantac I was taking > without having heartburn. On the sixth day of the juice treatment, my > wife and I were able to go out and eat a large Italian supper with a > hugh chocolate cake covered with chocolate icing. My stomach actually > felt good. For the first time in months, I was able to eat a normal > meal with no discomfort. > I made my second batch of ginger root juice last night. I make enough > juice to last a week and keep the juice in the refrigerator. I believe > the juice has healed my inflamed esophagus. I intend on taking the > juice for several more weeks to make sure my esophagus continues to > heal. Some time in the future, I may stop taking the juice but I feel > very comfortable in the knowledge that I can start taking the juice > again any time I need it. I have felt no side effects from taking the > ginger root juice. The cost is insignificant. > In addition to the ginger root juice healing my inflamed esophagus, I > also feel an overall improved condition of health. After living with a > constant, nagging and very painful stomach and esophagus for years, I > now have a new and fresh outlook on my life. > **I feel great ** > I cannot praise and thank Dr. Stoll enough for giving me this > information about ginger root juice. I have already emailed Dr. Stoll > my personal thanks for his help and I am going to contribute money to > him to help him to spread the word about this remarkable cure for > Upper Gastrointestinal Symptom Relief. Dr. Stoll was kind enough to > personally reply to me about my email. Even that is remarkable in our > modern world where the greed for money is the credo for most doctors > and people of all walks of life. > I am also telling everyone I know about this remarkable cure by email > and snail mail. I welcome anyone to email me or call me with questions > or comments. > Thankfully, > Bill Poston > 1140 Azalea Circle > Marietta, GA 30062 > 770-973-4590 >John Que mentioned raising the head of the bed in a post. How successful >have NG members been in doing this. We have divan type beds and some years >ago we put two bricks under each side of my wifes one. Her need for >elevation seemed to diminish and we abandoned the bricks. Last year I put >two thick copies of the Yellow Pages directory at the head of my bed. I >found that the mattress tended to slip down the base, the pillows moving >with it and ended with my feet sticking out at the bottom:-) After a few >nights there was a distinctive crack as I got into bed as the strain proved >to much for the divan. I went looking for new beds this week and was told by >the sales person in one store that beds are not designed to be propped up >and that my best option would be to buy a specially designed mechanical bed. >I replied that such beds seem be sold by rather sharp salesmen and seem to >cost as much as a new car. >I had a look in a more sensible bed shop today where the owner agreed that >most beds are  not suitable to be propped up as they are either too heavy >and often have drawers under then. Other beds have a join in the middle >making them unsuitable. His recommendation was for a "hotel" type bed, a >base with three legs on either side. I still feel that the pressure on it’s >front legs would be too great. He also thought that bricks are not the best >option and that shops who sell aids for the disabled have something better >to raise the bed with. >How have others dealt with the situation? >Derek. > Wild Bill 2, Marietta, Ga. (^_-) > email: poston8 [at] comcast [.] net

Response:

>A few question for Bill. Do you use >a foam mattress?

Yes, I use a foam mattress. A Sealy from Sears about 15 years ago. Very good quality. I don’t beleive they make them anymore. My inner spring mattress >does not do a good job when I set additional 8 inches of >elevation at the head.  Do mean an additional >18 inches at the head of your bed?

Yes, the head of my bed frame is reasied 17" above the foot of my bed. Hope this helps.  I estimate that – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->your setting (if it is what I think you mean) is at about >~11 degrees from horizontal. Certainly less extreme >than sleeping in an easy chair with back at 40 degrees:-) >I tried ginger root as a tea of sorts. I cut up an ounce and >poured hot water on it. It did not harm as I recall though >I didn’t continue. Perhaps a some burning at the bottom >of the esophagus. I may have tried it on top of the >PPI medication. >I’ll try it again sometime, next time with juiced ginger. >I am really pleased with betaine HCL and pepsin. >My meals seem to be digesting peacefully without >acid reflux or nonacid reflux. So far I’ve been using >30 grains per meal or major snack. Each 10 grains >costs 6 cents per capsule for 60 to 80 cents per day. >With the PPI medications, the meals often justed seem to set in >the stomach sometimes for 5 or 6 hours!! I’d get >reflux/burping though it didn’t burn. Indeed, even without >the PPI meds and no betaine HCL, I got this effect to >some extent. > I had the head of my bed frame raised at first back around 1990 with > books and they kept falling down. I have a queen size bed with a steel > frame with a post or foot at each end and side of the bed. I had a > special metal frame built for me at a local metal shop. The frame was > built out of aluminum square tubing, about 1" 1/4. The frame was built > to look like an upside down "T" with the top of the T becoming the > base of the frame. Each leg of the frame is 16" long. Then I have > connecting support aluminum tubing run from each side of the bed to > the other at the top and bottom. In the top of the frame I had a "V" > put in for my bed frame to sit in. It is steady as a rock. Never a > move or creak. With this frame I can move it up toward the head or > down toward the foot and thus can vary the height of my bed frame. I > now have it set at about 17" high. The mattresses don’t move during > the night. My wife and I do slide down just a little bit but it > doesn’t bother either of us. We have gotten use to it and miss it when > we are away. When we are away I put pillows or blankets under my > mattress for a temporary answer. The frame cost about $78.00 when I > had it built and has been the best money I ever spent to help with > GERD. > Also please read my comments about Ginger Root Juice. It was a miracle > cure for me and I still take it every day. See below. > Hiatus Hernia (GERD) (1 of 1) > This is my testimonial to the relief I have discovered through Dr. > Stoll and the information he furnished about ginger root juice. > A brief history about myself and my condition. I am a 57 year old male > and have suffered from a hiatal hernia for over 25 years. My condition > started many years ago with occasional heartburn. I treated this > condition with over-the-counter ant-acids and as the condition > worsened I progressed to prescriptions for Zantac 150 mg. Over the > years as I would have heartburn, I would take ant-acids and Zantac as > needed. > In the last two years, my condition became so bad to where I was > having heartburn almost constantly. I began to take Zantac 3 to 4 > times every day. My esophagus became so sore and sensitive that I > began to have problems swallowing. Some days the condition was so bad > I could only eat milk and cereal. I began to lose weight. > During this time I was seeing three medical doctors. Every doctor > prescribed Zantac, Propulsid, Prilosec and Prevacid. I tried every > combination of these medicines. Some combinations would give temporary > help but the heartburn would return every time and was getting worse. > In February of this year, one doctor performed an endoscopy > examination which showed some scarring of the esophagus. The treatment > remained the same. Take the above medicine and eat only bland foods. > Nothing helped and my condition continued to become worse and worse. > Just 30 days ago, I was seriously considering an operation to correct > the hiatal hernia. > A few weeks ago, I began to search the Internet for help for my > problem. I was reading messages posted to the Newsgroup > alt.support.heartburn and saw a message where a man was having the > same problems. We exchanged email and he introduced me to Dr. Stoll > and his suggestion that ginger root juice could help my condition. The > amazing thing to me was that Dr. Stoll was *not* asking for any money > but had posted this treatment on the Internet free to all. When the > man I had exchanged email said the ginger root juice had helped him, I > decided to try it. > I bought a juicer and some ginger root from a local farmer’s market. I > started taking the ginger root juice on September 8th. My first taste > of the juice did cause a slight burning sensation in my mouth and > throat. ( I actually made my wife test it first because I’m such a big > chicken) As the juice traveled down my esophagus, I felt a slight > warming sensation down my esophagus and into my stomach. The second > day, the burning sensation was less and the warm feeling felt good. On > the third day, my condition began to improve dramatically. By the > fourth day I was able to reduce the amount of Zantac I was taking > without having heartburn. On the sixth day of the juice treatment, my > wife and I were able to go out and eat a large Italian supper with a > hugh chocolate cake covered with chocolate icing. My stomach actually > felt good. For the first time in months, I was able to eat a normal > meal with no discomfort. > I made my second batch of ginger root juice last night. I make enough > juice to last a week and keep the juice in the refrigerator. I believe > the juice has healed my inflamed esophagus. I intend on taking the > juice for several more weeks to make sure my esophagus continues to > heal. Some time in the future, I may stop taking the juice but I feel > very comfortable in the knowledge that I can start taking the juice > again any time I need it. I have felt no side effects from taking the > ginger root juice. The cost is insignificant. > In addition to the ginger root juice healing my inflamed esophagus, I > also feel an overall improved condition of health. After living with a > constant, nagging and very painful stomach and esophagus for years, I > now have a new and fresh outlook on my life. > **I feel great ** > I cannot praise and thank Dr. Stoll enough for giving me this > information about ginger root juice. I have already emailed Dr. Stoll > my personal thanks for his help and I am going to contribute money to > him to help him to spread the word about this remarkable cure for > Upper Gastrointestinal Symptom Relief. Dr. Stoll was kind enough to > personally reply to me about my email. Even that is remarkable in our > modern world where the greed for money is the credo for most doctors > and people of all walks of life. > I am also telling everyone I know about this remarkable cure by email > and snail mail. I welcome anyone to email me or call me with questions > or comments. > Thankfully, > Bill Poston > 1140 Azalea Circle > Marietta, GA 30062 > 770-973-4590 > >John Que mentioned raising the head of the bed in a post. How successful > >have NG members been in doing this. We have divan type beds and some >years > >ago we put two bricks under each side of my wifes one. Her need for > >elevation seemed to diminish and we abandoned the bricks. Last year I put > >two thick copies of the Yellow Pages directory at the head of my bed. I > >found that the mattress tended to slip down the base, the pillows moving > >with it and ended with my feet sticking out at the bottom:-) After a few > >nights there was a distinctive crack as I got into bed as the strain >proved > >to much for the divan. I went looking for new beds this week and was told >by > >the sales person in one store that beds are not designed to be propped up > >and that my best option would be to buy a specially designed mechanical >bed. > >I replied that such beds seem be sold by rather sharp salesmen and seem >to > >cost as much as a new car. > >I had a look in a more sensible bed shop today where the owner agreed >that > >most beds are  not suitable to be propped up as they are either too heavy > >and often have drawers under then. Other beds have a join in the middle > >making them unsuitable. His recommendation was for a "hotel" type bed, a > >base with three legs on either side. I still feel that the pressure on >it’s > >front legs would be too great. He also thought that bricks are not the >best > >option and that shops who sell aids for the disabled have something >better > >to raise the bed with. > >How have others dealt with the situation? > >Derek. > Wild Bill 2, Marietta, Ga. (^_-) > email: poston8 [at] comcast [.] net

Wild Bill 2, Marietta, Ga. (^_-) email: poston8 [at] comcast [.] net

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>Yes, the head of my bed frame is reasied 17" above the foot of my bed.

Sure wish you had a picture if this we could look at Having a hard time visualizing it.

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>Yes, the head of my bed frame is reasied 17" above the foot of my bed.

That’s a LOT of height! has this really helped a lot? I only have my bed raised maybe 6". Im thinking maybe that not enough after reading your post.

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Do you have a sketch of your metal frame that you can post? Derek. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->A few question for Bill. Do you use >a foam mattress? > Yes, I use a foam mattress. A Sealy from Sears about 15 years ago. > Very good quality. I don’t beleive they make them anymore. > My inner spring mattress >does not do a good job when I set additional 8 inches of >elevation at the head.  Do mean an additional >18 inches at the head of your bed? > Yes, the head of my bed frame is reasied 17" above the foot of my bed. > Hope this helps. >  I estimate that >your setting (if it is what I think you mean) is at about >~11 degrees from horizontal. Certainly less extreme >than sleeping in an easy chair with back at 40 degrees:-) >I tried ginger root as a tea of sorts. I cut up an ounce and >poured hot water on it. It did not harm as I recall though >I didn’t continue. Perhaps a some burning at the bottom >of the esophagus. I may have tried it on top of the >PPI medication. >I’ll try it again sometime, next time with juiced ginger. >I am really pleased with betaine HCL and pepsin. >My meals seem to be digesting peacefully without >acid reflux or nonacid reflux. So far I’ve been using >30 grains per meal or major snack. Each 10 grains >costs 6 cents per capsule for 60 to 80 cents per day. >With the PPI medications, the meals often justed seem to set in >the stomach sometimes for 5 or 6 hours!! I’d get >reflux/burping though it didn’t burn. Indeed, even without >the PPI meds and no betaine HCL, I got this effect to >some extent. >> I had the head of my bed frame raised at first back around 1990 with >> books and they kept falling down. I have a queen size bed with a steel >> frame with a post or foot at each end and side of the bed. I had a >> special metal frame built for me at a local metal shop. The frame was >> built out of aluminum square tubing, about 1" 1/4. The frame was built >> to look like an upside down "T" with the top of the T becoming the >> base of the frame. Each leg of the frame is 16" long. Then I have >> connecting support aluminum tubing run from each side of the bed to >> the other at the top and bottom. In the top of the frame I had a "V" >> put in for my bed frame to sit in. It is steady as a rock. Never a >> move or creak. With this frame I can move it up toward the head or >> down toward the foot and thus can vary the height of my bed frame. I >> now have it set at about 17" high. The mattresses don’t move during >> the night. My wife and I do slide down just a little bit but it >> doesn’t bother either of us. We have gotten use to it and miss it when >> we are away. When we are away I put pillows or blankets under my >> mattress for a temporary answer. The frame cost about $78.00 when I >> had it built and has been the best money I ever spent to help with >> GERD. >> Also please read my comments about Ginger Root Juice. It was a miracle >> cure for me and I still take it every day. See below. >> Hiatus Hernia (GERD) (1 of 1) >> This is my testimonial to the relief I have discovered through Dr. >> Stoll and the information he furnished about ginger root juice. >> A brief history about myself and my condition. I am a 57 year old male >> and have suffered from a hiatal hernia for over 25 years. My condition >> started many years ago with occasional heartburn. I treated this >> condition with over-the-counter ant-acids and as the condition >> worsened I progressed to prescriptions for Zantac 150 mg. Over the >> years as I would have heartburn, I would take ant-acids and Zantac as >> needed. >> In the last two years, my condition became so bad to where I was >> having heartburn almost constantly. I began to take Zantac 3 to 4 >> times every day. My esophagus became so sore and sensitive that I >> began to have problems swallowing. Some days the condition was so bad >> I could only eat milk and cereal. I began to lose weight. >> During this time I was seeing three medical doctors. Every doctor >> prescribed Zantac, Propulsid, Prilosec and Prevacid. I tried every >> combination of these medicines. Some combinations would give temporary >> help but the heartburn would return every time and was getting worse. >> In February of this year, one doctor performed an endoscopy >> examination which showed some scarring of the esophagus. The treatment >> remained the same. Take the above medicine and eat only bland foods. >> Nothing helped and my condition continued to become worse and worse. >> Just 30 days ago, I was seriously considering an operation to correct >> the hiatal hernia. >> A few weeks ago, I began to search the Internet for help for my >> problem. I was reading messages posted to the Newsgroup >> alt.support.heartburn and saw a message where a man was having the >> same problems. We exchanged email and he introduced me to Dr. Stoll >> and his suggestion that ginger root juice could help my condition. The >> amazing thing to me was that Dr. Stoll was *not* asking for any money >> but had posted this treatment on the Internet free to all. When the >> man I had exchanged email said the ginger root juice had helped him, I >> decided to try it. >> I bought a juicer and some ginger root from a local farmer’s market. I >> started taking the ginger root juice on September 8th. My first taste >> of the juice did cause a slight burning sensation in my mouth and >> throat. ( I actually made my wife test it first because I’m such a big >> chicken) As the juice traveled down my esophagus, I felt a slight >> warming sensation down my esophagus and into my stomach. The second >> day, the burning sensation was less and the warm feeling felt good. On >> the third day, my condition began to improve dramatically. By the >> fourth day I was able to reduce the amount of Zantac I was taking >> without having heartburn. On the sixth day of the juice treatment, my >> wife and I were able to go out and eat a large Italian supper with a >> hugh chocolate cake covered with chocolate icing. My stomach actually >> felt good. For the first time in months, I was able to eat a normal >> meal with no discomfort. >> I made my second batch of ginger root juice last night. I make enough >> juice to last a week and keep the juice in the refrigerator. I believe >> the juice has healed my inflamed esophagus. I intend on taking the >> juice for several more weeks to make sure my esophagus continues to >> heal. Some time in the future, I may stop taking the juice but I feel >> very comfortable in the knowledge that I can start taking the juice >> again any time I need it. I have felt no side effects from taking the >> ginger root juice. The cost is insignificant. >> In addition to the ginger root juice healing my inflamed esophagus, I >> also feel an overall improved condition of health. After living with a >> constant, nagging and very painful stomach and esophagus for years, I >> now have a new and fresh outlook on my life. >> **I feel great ** >> I cannot praise and thank Dr. Stoll enough for giving me this >> information about ginger root juice. I have already emailed Dr. Stoll >> my personal thanks for his help and I am going to contribute money to >> him to help him to spread the word about this remarkable cure for >> Upper Gastrointestinal Symptom Relief. Dr. Stoll was kind enough to >> personally reply to me about my email. Even that is remarkable in our >> modern world where the greed for money is the credo for most doctors >> and people of all walks of life. >> I am also telling everyone I know about this remarkable cure by email >> and snail mail. I welcome anyone to email me or call me with questions >> or comments. >> Thankfully, >> Bill Poston >> 1140 Azalea Circle >> Marietta, GA 30062 >> 770-973-4590 >> >John Que mentioned raising the head of the bed in a post. How successful >> >have NG members been in doing this. We have divan type beds and some >years >> >ago we put two bricks under each side of my wifes one. Her need for >> >elevation seemed to diminish and we abandoned the bricks. Last year I put >> >two thick copies of the Yellow Pages directory at the head of my bed. I >> >found that the mattress tended to slip down the base, the pillows moving >> >with it and ended with my feet sticking out at the bottom:-) After a few >> >nights there was a distinctive crack as I got into bed as the strain >proved >> >to much for the divan. I went looking for new beds this week and was told >by >> >the sales person in one store that beds are not designed to be propped up >> >and that my best option would be to buy a specially designed mechanical >bed. >> >I replied that such beds seem be sold by rather sharp salesmen and seem >to >> >cost as much as a new car. >> >I had a look in a more sensible bed shop today where the owner agreed >that >> >most beds are  not suitable to be propped up as they are either too heavy >> >and often have drawers under then. Other beds have a join in the middle >> >making them unsuitable. His recommendation was for a "hotel" type bed, a >> >base with three legs on either side. I still feel that the pressure on >it’s >> >front legs would be too great. He also thought that bricks are not the >best >> >option and

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>Yes, the head of my bed frame is reasied 17" above the foot of my bed. > That’s a LOT of height! > has this really helped a lot? > I only have my bed raised maybe 6".

When I sleep in the easy chair, I can even snack before sleep!! Granted that my sleeping position is more extreme than Wild Bill’s. In the winter, I sleep with a small blanket around the back of my neck that is draped across the chest. Having said that, I just slept unmedicated except for the betaine HCL and pepsin will meals on a regular unmodified bed without apparent ill effects for the first time in at least several years. The last instance prior to last night, when I tried sleep in motel bed my esophagus was burned and would have been in serious trouble had I repeated the action two nights in a row. That was on an empty stomach in both instances. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Im thinking maybe that not enough after reading your > post.

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> >A few question for Bill. Do you use >a foam mattress? > Yes, I use a foam mattress. A Sealy from Sears about 15 years ago. > Very good quality. I don’t beleive they make them anymore.

Thanks. I am pretty certain that this is part of your success and should be included with your advice about the bed frame and ginger root juice. > My inner spring mattress >does not do a good job when I set additional 8 inches of >elevation at the head.  Do mean an additional >18 inches at the head of your bed? > Yes, the head of my bed frame is reasied 17" above the foot of my bed. > Hope this helps.

Yes. Thank you. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->  I estimate that >your setting (if it is what I think you mean) is at about >~11 degrees from horizontal. Certainly less extreme >than sleeping in an easy chair with back at 40 degrees:-) >I tried ginger root as a tea of sorts. I cut up an ounce and >poured hot water on it. It did not harm as I recall though >I didn’t continue. Perhaps a some burning at the bottom >of the esophagus. I may have tried it on top of the >PPI medication. >I’ll try it again sometime, next time with juiced ginger. >I am really pleased with betaine HCL and pepsin. >My meals seem to be digesting peacefully without >acid reflux or nonacid reflux. So far I’ve been using >30 grains per meal or major snack. Each 10 grains >costs 6 cents per capsule for 60 to 80 cents per day. >With the PPI medications, the meals often justed seem to set in >the stomach sometimes for 5 or 6 hours!! I’d get >reflux/burping though it didn’t burn. Indeed, even without >the PPI meds and no betaine HCL, I got this effect to >some extent. >> I had the head of my bed frame raised at first back around 1990 with >> books and they kept falling down. I have a queen size bed with a steel >> frame with a post or foot at each end and side of the bed. I had a >> special metal frame built for me at a local metal shop. The frame was >> built out of aluminum square tubing, about 1" 1/4. The frame was built >> to look like an upside down "T" with the top of the T becoming the >> base of the frame. Each leg of the frame is 16" long. Then I have >> connecting support aluminum tubing run from each side of the bed to >> the other at the top and bottom. In the top of the frame I had a "V" >> put in for my bed frame to sit in. It is steady as a rock. Never a >> move or creak. With this frame I can move it up toward the head or >> down toward the foot and thus can vary the height of my bed frame. I >> now have it set at about 17" high. The mattresses don’t move during >> the night. My wife and I do slide down just a little bit but it >> doesn’t bother either of us. We have gotten use to it and miss it when >> we are away. When we are away I put pillows or blankets under my >> mattress for a temporary answer. The frame cost about $78.00 when I >> had it built and has been the best money I ever spent to help with >> GERD. >> Also please read my comments about Ginger Root Juice. It was a miracle >> cure for me and I still take it every day. See below. >> Hiatus Hernia (GERD) (1 of 1) >> This is my testimonial to the relief I have discovered through Dr. >> Stoll and the information he furnished about ginger root juice. >> A brief history about myself and my condition. I am a 57 year old male >> and have suffered from a hiatal hernia for over 25 years. My condition >> started many years ago with occasional heartburn. I treated this >> condition with over-the-counter ant-acids and as the condition >> worsened I progressed to prescriptions for Zantac 150 mg. Over the >> years as I would have heartburn, I would take ant-acids and Zantac as >> needed. >> In the last two years, my condition became so bad to where I was >> having heartburn almost constantly. I began to take Zantac 3 to 4 >> times every day. My esophagus became so sore and sensitive that I >> began to have problems swallowing. Some days the condition was so bad >> I could only eat milk and cereal. I began to lose weight. >> During this time I was seeing three medical doctors. Every doctor >> prescribed Zantac, Propulsid, Prilosec and Prevacid. I tried every >> combination of these medicines. Some combinations would give temporary >> help but the heartburn would return every time and was getting worse. >> In February of this year, one doctor performed an endoscopy >> examination which showed some scarring of the esophagus. The treatment >> remained the same. Take the above medicine and eat only bland foods. >> Nothing helped and my condition continued to become worse and worse. >> Just 30 days ago, I was seriously considering an operation to correct >> the hiatal hernia. >> A few weeks ago, I began to search the Internet for help for my >> problem. I was reading messages posted to the Newsgroup >> alt.support.heartburn and saw a message where a man was having the >> same problems. We exchanged email and he introduced me to Dr. Stoll >> and his suggestion that ginger root juice could help my condition. The >> amazing thing to me was that Dr. Stoll was *not* asking for any money >> but had posted this treatment on the Internet free to all. When the >> man I had exchanged email said the ginger root juice had helped him, I >> decided to try it. >> I bought a juicer and some ginger root from a local farmer’s market. I >> started taking the ginger root juice on September 8th. My first taste >> of the juice did cause a slight burning sensation in my mouth and >> throat. ( I actually made my wife test it first because I’m such a big >> chicken) As the juice traveled down my esophagus, I felt a slight >> warming sensation down my esophagus and into my stomach. The second >> day, the burning sensation was less and the warm feeling felt good. On >> the third day, my condition began to improve dramatically. By the >> fourth day I was able to reduce the amount of Zantac I was taking >> without having heartburn. On the sixth day of the juice treatment, my >> wife and I were able to go out and eat a large Italian supper with a >> hugh chocolate cake covered with chocolate icing. My stomach actually >> felt good. For the first time in months, I was able to eat a normal >> meal with no discomfort. >> I made my second batch of ginger root juice last night. I make enough >> juice to last a week and keep the juice in the refrigerator. I believe >> the juice has healed my inflamed esophagus. I intend on taking the >> juice for several more weeks to make sure my esophagus continues to >> heal. Some time in the future, I may stop taking the juice but I feel >> very comfortable in the knowledge that I can start taking the juice >> again any time I need it. I have felt no side effects from taking the >> ginger root juice. The cost is insignificant. >> In addition to the ginger root juice healing my inflamed esophagus, I >> also feel an overall improved condition of health. After living with a >> constant, nagging and very painful stomach and esophagus for years, I >> now have a new and fresh outlook on my life. >> **I feel great ** >> I cannot praise and thank Dr. Stoll enough for giving me this >> information about ginger root juice. I have already emailed Dr. Stoll >> my personal thanks for his help and I am going to contribute money to >> him to help him to spread the word about this remarkable cure for >> Upper Gastrointestinal Symptom Relief. Dr. Stoll was kind enough to >> personally reply to me about my email. Even that is remarkable in our >> modern world where the greed for money is the credo for most doctors >> and people of all walks of life. >> I am also telling everyone I know about this remarkable cure by email >> and snail mail. I welcome anyone to email me or call me with questions >> or comments. >> Thankfully, >> Bill Poston >> 1140 Azalea Circle >> Marietta, GA 30062 >> 770-973-4590 >> >John Que mentioned raising the head of the bed in a post. How successful >> >have NG members been in doing this. We have divan type beds and some >years >> >ago we put two bricks under each side of my wifes one. Her need for >> >elevation seemed to diminish and we abandoned the bricks. Last year I put >> >two thick copies of the Yellow Pages directory at the head of my bed. I >> >found that the mattress tended to slip down the base, the pillows moving >> >with it and ended with my feet sticking out at the bottom:-) After a few >> >nights there was a distinctive crack as I got into bed as the strain >proved >> >to much for the divan. I went looking for new beds this week and was told >by >> >the sales person in one store that beds are not designed to be propped up >> >and that my best option would be to buy a specially designed mechanical >bed. >> >I replied that such beds seem be sold by rather sharp salesmen and seem >to >> >cost as much as a new car. >> >I had a look in a more sensible bed shop today where the owner agreed >that >> >most beds are  not suitable to be propped up as they are either too heavy >> >and often have drawers under then. Other beds have a join in the middle >> >making them unsuitable. His recommendation was for a "hotel" type bed, a >> >base with three legs on either side. I still feel that the pressure on >it’s

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If you try and think about what is going on you can understand it. Liquid will run to the lowest part of whatever container it is in. For example, take a bottle of water and lay it flat. The water will normally touch the top of the bottle. When you lay flat the acid in your stomach is going to touch your LES and it is this constant touching of the LES with the stomach acid that wears the LES down and it becomes weak and allows the acid then to reflux up into your esophagus. So the more erect your esophagus is the less chance of the acid touching your LES. Once you understand that then you can make an intelligent decision about how high to raise the head of your bed. The metal frame I had built is moveable so I can move the frame up toward the head of the bed and thereby lower the head of the frame or if I move the frame down toward the foot of the bed it raises the head of the bed. If anyone wants I can take a picture as best I can and send it to you via email. No problem. But, just trust this is one of the first steps to healing your esophagus. The second is to use the Ginger Root Juice. That will really help and then other lifestyle changes like no coffee, soft drinks, tea, hot or cold liquids, spicy food, sharp edged foods like potato chips and crackers, etc. If you would like call me and I will be glad to talk to about any of this. Bill 770-973-4590 Hope this helps. Now, once the LES becomes weak and useless from the stomach acid touching the LES the more you need to make sure that no acid comes in contact with your LES so each person will have to experiment with the height and decide which is best for him. Once the LES becomes so weak that it doesn’t close at all it may take months and years for it to regain its strength if at all. >Yes, the head of my bed frame is reasied 17" above the foot of my bed. >That’s a LOT of height! >has this really helped a lot? >I only have my bed raised maybe 6". >Im thinking maybe that not enough after reading your >post.

Wild Bill 2, Marietta, Ga. (^_-) email: poston8 [at] comcast [.] net

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>If anyone wants I can take a picture as best I can and send it to you >via email. No problem.

Send me a pic at: john63401 at yahoo dot com Thanks! >soft drinks, tea, hot or cold liquids, spicy food, sharp edged foods >like potato chips and crackers, etc.

What if you drink decaf tea?   Is that OK?

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I’ll get the picture as soon as I can. I’m real busy right now it’ll be a while. As to the decaf tea. There is still caffieene in it and depending on how weak your LES will make the difference. i have read some doctor’s descriptions of LES’s that were so weak the LES just hung in mid air like a butterfly. No closing at all. The docs have a technical name for it and I can’t remember it right now. The docs have some way of measuring how much strength or how much it closes. They put osmething down your throat and esophagus and monitor the pressure of the LES. This test determines if they cut on you or not. But, under no circumstances would I have the surgery (Nissen Fundoplication) done except if I had a stomach strangulation which I have had several times but I just relax and sip cool water and eventually the stomach unstragulates. Very scary. Hope this helps. >If anyone wants I can take a picture as best I can and send it to you >via email. No problem. >Send me a pic at: >john63401 at yahoo dot com >Thanks! >soft drinks, tea, hot or cold liquids, spicy food, sharp edged foods >like potato chips and crackers, etc. >What if you drink decaf tea?   Is that OK?

Wild Bill 2, Marietta, Ga. (^_-) email: poston8 [at] comcast [.] net

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I will try but I’m not an artist. I have done this before and most people can’t recognize what it is. I think posting a picture to your email would be best. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Do you have a sketch of your metal frame that you can post? >Derek. > >A few question for Bill. Do you use > >a foam mattress? > Yes, I use a foam mattress. A Sealy from Sears about 15 years ago. > Very good quality. I don’t beleive they make them anymore. > My inner spring mattress > >does not do a good job when I set additional 8 inches of > >elevation at the head.  Do mean an additional > >18 inches at the head of your bed? > Yes, the head of my bed frame is reasied 17" above the foot of my bed. > Hope this helps. >  I estimate that > >your setting (if it is what I think you mean) is at about > >~11 degrees from horizontal. Certainly less extreme > >than sleeping in an easy chair with back at 40 degrees:-) > >I tried ginger root as a tea of sorts. I cut up an ounce and > >poured hot water on it. It did not harm as I recall though > >I didn’t continue. Perhaps a some burning at the bottom > >of the esophagus. I may have tried it on top of the > >PPI medication. > >I’ll try it again sometime, next time with juiced ginger. > >I am really pleased with betaine HCL and pepsin. > >My meals seem to be digesting peacefully without > >acid reflux or nonacid reflux. So far I’ve been using > >30 grains per meal or major snack. Each 10 grains > >costs 6 cents per capsule for 60 to 80 cents per day. > >With the PPI medications, the meals often justed seem to set in > >the stomach sometimes for 5 or 6 hours!! I’d get > >reflux/burping though it didn’t burn. Indeed, even without > >the PPI meds and no betaine HCL, I got this effect to > >some extent. > >> I had the head of my bed frame raised at first back around 1990 with > >> books and they kept falling down. I have a queen size bed with a steel > >> frame with a post or foot at each end and side of the bed. I had a > >> special metal frame built for me at a local metal shop. The frame was > >> built out of aluminum square tubing, about 1" 1/4. The frame was built > >> to look like an upside down "T" with the top of the T becoming the > >> base of the frame. Each leg of the frame is 16" long. Then I have > >> connecting support aluminum tubing run from each side of the bed to > >> the other at the top and bottom. In the top of the frame I had a "V" > >> put in for my bed frame to sit in. It is steady as a rock. Never a > >> move or creak. With this frame I can move it up toward the head or > >> down toward the foot and thus can vary the height of my bed frame. I > >> now have it set at about 17" high. The mattresses don’t move during > >> the night. My wife and I do slide down just a little bit but it > >> doesn’t bother either of us. We have gotten use to it and miss it when > >> we are away. When we are away I put pillows or blankets under my > >> mattress for a temporary answer. The frame cost about $78.00 when I > >> had it built and has been the best money I ever spent to help with > >> GERD. > >> Also please read my comments about Ginger Root Juice. It was a miracle > >> cure for me and I still take it every day. See below. > >> Hiatus Hernia (GERD) (1 of 1) > >> This is my testimonial to the relief I have discovered through Dr. > >> Stoll and the information he furnished about ginger root juice. > >> A brief history about myself and my condition. I am a 57 year old male > >> and have suffered from a hiatal hernia for over 25 years. My condition > >> started many years ago with occasional heartburn. I treated this > >> condition with over-the-counter ant-acids and as the condition > >> worsened I progressed to prescriptions for Zantac 150 mg. Over the > >> years as I would have heartburn, I would take ant-acids and Zantac as > >> needed. > >> In the last two years, my condition became so bad to where I was > >> having heartburn almost constantly. I began to take Zantac 3 to 4 > >> times every day. My esophagus became so sore and sensitive that I > >> began to have problems swallowing. Some days the condition was so bad > >> I could only eat milk and cereal. I began to lose weight. > >> During this time I was seeing three medical doctors. Every doctor > >> prescribed Zantac, Propulsid, Prilosec and Prevacid. I tried every > >> combination of these medicines. Some combinations would give temporary > >> help but the heartburn would return every time and was getting worse. > >> In February of this year, one doctor performed an endoscopy > >> examination which showed some scarring of the esophagus. The treatment > >> remained the same. Take the above medicine and eat only bland foods. > >> Nothing helped and my condition continued to become worse and worse. > >> Just 30 days ago, I was seriously considering an operation to correct > >> the hiatal hernia. > >> A few weeks ago, I began to search the Internet for help for my > >> problem. I was reading messages posted to the Newsgroup > >> alt.support.heartburn and saw a message where a man was having the > >> same problems. We exchanged email and he introduced me to Dr. Stoll > >> and his suggestion that ginger root juice could help my condition. The > >> amazing thing to me was that Dr. Stoll was *not* asking for any money > >> but had posted this treatment on the Internet free to all. When the > >> man I had exchanged email said the ginger root juice had helped him, I > >> decided to try it. > >> I bought a juicer and some ginger root from a local farmer’s market. I > >> started taking the ginger root juice on September 8th. My first taste > >> of the juice did cause a slight burning sensation in my mouth and > >> throat. ( I actually made my wife test it first because I’m such a big > >> chicken) As the juice traveled down my esophagus, I felt a slight > >> warming sensation down my esophagus and into my stomach. The second > >> day, the burning sensation was less and the warm feeling felt good. On > >> the third day, my condition began to improve dramatically. By the > >> fourth day I was able to reduce the amount of Zantac I was taking > >> without having heartburn. On the sixth day of the juice treatment, my > >> wife and I were able to go out and eat a large Italian supper with a > >> hugh chocolate cake covered with chocolate icing. My stomach actually > >> felt good. For the first time in months, I was able to eat a normal > >> meal with no discomfort. > >> I made my second batch of ginger root juice last night. I make enough > >> juice to last a week and keep the juice in the refrigerator. I believe > >> the juice has healed my inflamed esophagus. I intend on taking the > >> juice for several more weeks to make sure my esophagus continues to > >> heal. Some time in the future, I may stop taking the juice but I feel > >> very comfortable in the knowledge that I can start taking the juice > >> again any time I need it. I have felt no side effects from taking the > >> ginger root juice. The cost is insignificant. > >> In addition to the ginger root juice healing my inflamed esophagus, I > >> also feel an overall improved condition of health. After living with a > >> constant, nagging and very painful stomach and esophagus for years, I > >> now have a new and fresh outlook on my life. > >> **I feel great ** > >> I cannot praise and thank Dr. Stoll enough for giving me this > >> information about ginger root juice. I have already emailed Dr. Stoll > >> my personal thanks for his help and I am going to contribute money to > >> him to help him to spread the word about this remarkable cure for > >> Upper Gastrointestinal Symptom Relief. Dr. Stoll was kind enough to > >> personally reply to me about my email. Even that is remarkable in our > >> modern world where the greed for money is the credo for most doctors > >> and people of all walks of life. > >> I am also telling everyone I know about this remarkable cure by email > >> and snail mail. I welcome anyone to email me or call me with questions > >> or comments. > >> Thankfully, > >> Bill Poston > >> 1140 Azalea Circle > >> Marietta, GA 30062 > >> 770-973-4590 > >> >John Que mentioned raising the head of the bed in a post. How >successful > >> >have NG members been in doing this. We have divan type beds and some > >years > >> >ago we put two bricks under each side of my wifes one. Her need for > >> >elevation seemed to diminish and we abandoned the bricks. Last year I >put > >> >two thick copies of the Yellow Pages directory at the head of my bed. >I > >> >found that the mattress tended to slip down the base, the pillows >moving > >> >with it and ended with my feet sticking out at the bottom:-) After a >few > >> >nights there was a distinctive crack as I got into bed as the strain > >proved > >> >to much for the divan. I went looking for new beds this week and was >told > >by > >> >the sales person in one store that beds are not designed to be propped >up > >> >and that my best option would be to buy a specially designed >mechanical > >bed. > >> >I replied that such beds seem be sold by rather sharp salesmen and >seem > >to > >> >cost as much as a new car. > >> >I had a look in a more sensible bed shop today where the owner

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> I will try but I’m not an artist. I have done this before and most > people can’t recognize what it is. I think posting a picture to your > email would be best.

Can you just attach a picture to your post or perhaps upload it to a website somewhere (there are lots of free web space providers like geocities)? That way you wouldn’t have to send copies to people individually. I’d be interested in seeing how you’ve set this up. Thanks

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Moderate Hiatal Hernia

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Howard…. could you please explain what is meant by moderate? It’s been a month since my EGD and I’m not feeling much relief from the Nexium. How long should I wait for a return visit with my doctor? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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> Howard…. could you please explain what is meant by moderate? It’s been a > month since my EGD and I’m not feeling much relief from the Nexium. How long > should I wait for a return visit with my doctor? Any help would be greatly > appreciated.

A hiatus hernia is where the upper part of the stomach can slip or has slipped up into the chest. The part that slips includes the gastroesophageal junction and the lower esophageal sphincter. A "moderate" hiatus hernia is one where the gastroesophageal junction is displaced about 2-3 centimeters upward into the chest. It is a common misconception, even among doctors, that a hiatus hernia and acid reflux are the same thing. "Doctor, I have terrible heartburn"…."Yes, you must have a hiatus hernia."    Baloney. Many people with hiatus hernia have no acid reflux, and many people with acid reflux have no hiatus hernia. The causative factor in GERD is dysfunction of the lower esophageal sphincter. In about 40% of cases, the main reason for LES dysfunction is low resting pressure. In SOME of those cases, hiatus hernia contributes to that low resting pressure, therefore, hiatus hernia might contribute to GERD in some cases. The erroneous belief in the relationship of hiatus hernia severity to GERD severity is a holdover from the old days when doctors thought, erroneously, that low LES pressure was the cause of GERD. However, in over 60% of cases of acid reflux, the main cause is transient lower esophageal sphincter relaxation. The cause of these TLESR’s are primarily such things as nicotine, alcohol, caffiene, full stomach, and some foods such as tomatoes and other spices. It’s amazing to me how few doctors understand this concept. I guess it’s just easier to tell the patient "Oh, it’s just your hiatus hernia acting up…take these pills" So, whether or not someone has a hiatus hernia is pretty much irrelevant to GERD. The problem is the function of the LES, which is the root cause of GERD. If you have acid reflux, the place to start is lifestyle modification (diet, weight loss, smaller meals etc etc….these will help control your LES dysfunction. You can also take anti-secretory medication. These meds will not fix your LES dysfunction, nor will they do anything for your hiatus hernia, but they will decrease the amount of acid in the stuff that you reflux thereby moderating your symptoms. Maybe…unless the LES dysfunction is too severe. If these things don’t work, then the function of your Lower Esophageal Sphincter needs to be addressed surgically. Bottom line….don’t worry about your hiatus hernia, worry about controlling your acid reflux. Just because you have one doesn’t imply anything about the severity of your GERD. A high DeMeester score (>14.7) or refluxing more than about 3% of the time on 48 hour pH testing, that means something. A LES resting pressure less than 10 mmHg on manometry, that means something. An EGD that shows erosive esophagitis, stricture, or Barrett’s esophagus, that means something. All of these things allow us to draw real conclusions about your reflux disease. The presence or absence of a hiatus hernia tells us virtually nothing. If you haven’t had 48 hour ambulatory pH testing or esophageal manometry, and if all the doctor saw at EGD was a "moderate" hiatus hernia, then we still have virtually no objective information about whether or not you have GERD. HMc

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celebrex question

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How long does Celebrex take to have an effect? My doc’s trying me on it to see if it helps with my back (DDD), but I haven’t noticed any improvement. It’s been a couple of weeks now. — Katharine Shade Maxwell spamblock in action.

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>How long does Celebrex take to have an effect? My doc’s trying me on it to >see if it helps with my back (DDD), but I haven’t noticed any improvement. >It’s been a couple of weeks now. >– >Katharine Shade Maxwell

Hi Katerine. Celebrex is not like certain anti depressants that can take a few weeks to get working. It should become effective in a couple of hours. Going a couple of weeks with no positive effect means it isn’t going to help you. Inform your doc of this. I’d quit taking it then, since it doesn’t seem to work, and the only things that may happen now are side effects. It’s non addicting, and doesn’t build a tolerence, and is safe to just discontinue without tapering. Just my non medical 2 cents. ~alex      

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 Is the same thing true for Vioxx? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Celebrex is not like certain anti depressants that can take a few weeks to get >working. It should become effective in a couple of hours. Going a couple of >weeks with no positive effect means it isn’t going to help you.

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Alex, My doctor told me that it would take at least 2 weeks before the medication would become effective.  That is about the length of time it took to work. Sharon

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->How long does Celebrex take to have an effect? My doc’s trying me on it to >see if it helps with my back (DDD), but I haven’t noticed any improvement. >It’s been a couple of weeks now. >– >Katharine Shade Maxwell > Hi Katerine. > Celebrex is not like certain anti depressants that can take a few weeks to get > working. It should become effective in a couple of hours. Going a couple of > weeks with no positive effect means it isn’t going to help you. Inform your doc > of this. > I’d quit taking it then, since it doesn’t seem to work, and the only things > that may happen now are side effects. It’s non addicting, and doesn’t build a > tolerence, and is safe to just discontinue > without tapering. Just my non medical 2 cents. > ~alex

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Celebrex is an NSAID!  Just a newer one, like Vioxx.  the latest ulcer making, liver eating, non steroidal anti inflammatory med.! It is NOT a anti depressant! Yes, it should start to work within a week, IMO, I took it for about a week…no go…my body is different, it has had to many years of every single NSAID that has come down the pike! My entire biliary system is toasted.  But, I am still alive….so…did I win the battle?  Not too sure about the war, it is still going on full force! LOL Anti-inflammatories DO work to relieve the inflammation.  That is the job they were developed to do, but, like all medications, you pay a price.  It is up to you to decide it the price is too high. You know, that old cost=benefit conundrum! If you have not been taking NSAID’s over a long period of time, give this one a chance.  It is one of the new Cox II inhibitors, if I am not wrong…Dr. Work will be along to give you the real scoop. I have found, over all these years, that there is not a opiate in the world that will take ALL the pain away.  Of course, you can titrate them up until you are in much less pain, but…your brain goes into fog-ville..big time. It is always a trade off, isn’t it?  After all these years I have finally learned to use ALL the tricks in my little bag.  Some laugh at some of them or all of them, but I am living proof that using other modalities work!  It takes time, patience, preparing, and most of all a very open mind to get there.  But..it works for a lot of people!  My friend was dx’d with Pancreatic Cancer, had a Full Whipple done two years ago as of last Dec. 14!  Went through 24/7 of chemo, full course of radiation.  She is cancer free…..for now…BUT, during all the trauma of going through the above she used alliterative medicine with her Western medicine.  She has a herbalist, an acuputurist,  uses, as I do, Imaging, Breathing technics, biofeedback, diet.  We eat very little red meat. But, back to your question…( I am so wordy!  Geesh, sorry!), give the Celebrex a chance, but look into some other methods of treatment too. Sincerely,  Jo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Alex, >My doctor told me that it would take at least 2 weeks before the medication >would become effective.  That is about the length of time it took to work. >Sharon > >How long does Celebrex take to have an effect? My doc’s trying me on it >to > >see if it helps with my back (DDD), but I haven’t noticed any >improvement. > >It’s been a couple of weeks now. > >– > >Katharine Shade Maxwell > Hi Katerine. > Celebrex is not like certain anti depressants that can take a few weeks to >get > working. It should become effective in a couple of hours. Going a couple >of > weeks with no positive effect means it isn’t going to help you. Inform >your doc > of this. > I’d quit taking it then, since it doesn’t seem to work, and the only >things > that may happen now are side effects. It’s non addicting, and doesn’t >build a > tolerence, and is safe to just discontinue > without tapering. Just my non medical 2 cents. > ~alex

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>Celebrex is an NSAID!  Just a newer one, like Vioxx.  the latest >ulcer making, liver eating, non steroidal anti inflammatory med.! >It is NOT a anti depressant!

Noone said it was an anti-depressant..someone said that it wasnt LIKE on in the fact that it can take weeks for improvement…Celebrex/Vioxx usually work within a week, sometimes less. Oh, and technically it is a COX-2 inhibitor…and for alot of people that couldnt take NSAIDS before, can take this. I am one of them. It targets the COX 2 enzyme, which is supposed to make things like ulcers a bit more rare than with conventional NSAIDS. Nikki "… lost in the darkness of my own circumstance, criticizing echoes leaving me awake in the night… the barrier and blockades that keep me safe and in control while I pretend that I am okay… "

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>  Is the same thing true for Vioxx? >Celebrex is not like certain anti depressants that can take a few weeks to get >working. It should become effective in a couple of hours. Going a couple of >weeks with no positive effect means it isn’t going to help you.

Yes. Jon Miller

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> >Celebrex is an NSAID!  Just a newer one, like Vioxx.  the latest >ulcer making, liver eating, non steroidal anti inflammatory med.! >It is NOT a anti depressant! > Noone said it was an anti-depressant..someone said that it wasnt LIKE on in the > fact that it can take weeks for improvement…Celebrex/Vioxx usually work > within a week, sometimes less. Oh, and technically it is a COX-2 > inhibitor…and for alot of people that couldnt take NSAIDS before, can take > this. I am one of them. It targets the COX 2 enzyme, which is supposed to make > things like ulcers a bit more rare than with conventional NSAIDS.

It’s supposed to make them a lot more rare.  It’s supposed to target the COX-2 enzyme (pain receptor) and leave the COX-1 enzyme (which tells the stomach lining to produce more acid or less protective coating, I forget which) alone. My recollection (you have to look it up for yourself if you need to be sure, try Medline) is that users don’t have significantly fewer digestive system problems. Given the cost, you probably shouldn’t switch to a COX-2 inhibitor unless you have problems with the older NSAIDs (or free drugs with your insurance, haha!). Jon Miller

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Thanks, Nikki, you are right, of course…I just didn’t pay enough attention to the post.  Very bad habit, I am working on it!!  :) Jo

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Celebrex is an NSAID!  Just a newer one, like Vioxx.  the latest >ulcer making, liver eating, non steroidal anti inflammatory med.! >It is NOT a anti depressant! >Noone said it was an anti-depressant..someone said that it wasnt LIKE on in the >fact that it can take weeks for improvement…Celebrex/Vioxx usually work >within a week, sometimes less. Oh, and technically it is a COX-2 >inhibitor…and for alot of people that couldnt take NSAIDS before, can take >this. I am one of them. It targets the COX 2 enzyme, which is supposed to make >things like ulcers a bit more rare than with conventional NSAIDS. >Nikki >"… lost in the darkness of my own circumstance, criticizing echoes leaving me >awake in the night… the barrier and blockades that keep me safe and in >control while I pretend that I am okay… "

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I have a friend that I joke with that Celebrex is the "wonder drug". docs love to give out samples of this and I have tried it and have found that it does not work. No matter how long I tried it. It had no effect on me. Hope that you have better luck… karra

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->How long does Celebrex take to have an effect? My doc’s trying me on it to >see if it helps with my back (DDD), but I haven’t noticed any improvement. >It’s been a couple of weeks now. >– >Katharine Shade Maxwell >spamblock in action.

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> I have a friend that I joke with that Celebrex is the "wonder drug". docs > love to give out samples of this and I have tried it and have found that it > does not work. No matter how long I tried it. It had no effect on me. Hope > that you have better luck… > karra

Kara ,   It may not work , but at least it won’t hurt your stomach . Peace , Richard

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have a friend that I joke with that Celebrex is the "wonder drug". docs > love to give out samples of this and I have tried it and have found that > it > does not work. No matter how long I tried it. It had no effect on me. Hope > that you have better luck… > karra > Kara , >   It may not work , but at least it won’t hurt your stomach . > Peace , > Richard

It hurts mine Richard — so does the Vioxx.

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> I have a friend that I joke with that Celebrex is the "wonder drug". docs > love to give out samples of this and I have tried it and have found that it > does not work. No matter how long I tried it. It had no effect on me. Hope > that you have better luck… > karra

Karra, It is a shame that Celebrex didn’t work for you.  I have been taking it for awhile now and am doing pretty good, so I thought maybe I didn’t need it.  I stopped taking it and in a few days I felt arthritis pain in places I didn’t know I had it. It hasn’t stopped the pain entirely, but it sure helps me.  So far, I haven’t had any stomach problems.  I guess I have just been lucky. Sharon

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Richard, me too.  Major problems with Celebrex!!  I’m back on the ulcer watch, taking those ridiculously high drugs, all because my stomach.  HA,   Jo BTW Ruada, sorry you had trouble too.  Wouldn’t it be nice if we could really Find a drug that worked without playing major havoc with the rest of our system?   Jo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > I have a friend that I joke with that Celebrex is the "wonder >drug". docs > > love to give out samples of this and I have tried it and have >found that > it > > does not work. No matter how long I tried it. It had no effect on >me. Hope > > that you have better luck… > > karra > Kara , >   It may not work , but at least it won’t hurt your stomach . > Peace , > Richard >It hurts mine Richard — so does the Vioxx.

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> Newsgroups: alt.support.chronic-pain > Richard, me too.  Major problems with Celebrex!!  I’m back on the > ulcer watch, taking those ridiculously high drugs, all because my > stomach.  HA,   Jo > BTW Ruada, sorry you had trouble too.  Wouldn’t it be nice if we > could really Find a drug that worked without playing major havoc > with the rest of our system?   Jo

I don’t have stomach problems from Celebrex. If I had to give up one or the other I’d give up the morphine first! The Celebrex does cause my ankles to swell so I have to take extra diuretics for it. But it really makes a difference with pain. On the other hand I also don’t need anything for "opiate bowel" either! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> > I have a friend that I joke with that Celebrex is the "wonder >drug". docs >> > love to give out samples of this and I have tried it and have >found that >> it >> > does not work. No matter how long I tried it. It had no effect > on >me. Hope >> > that you have better luck… >> > karra >> Kara , >>   It may not work , but at least it won’t hurt your stomach . >> Peace , >> Richard >It hurts mine Richard — so does the Vioxx.

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Alex, I have tried both celebrex and vioxx.  They don’t do anything beneficial for me so I have resumed taking 1000 mg Relefen.  I feel some relief from joint swelling but not enough.  I tried taking the Relefen in the morning and found that this causes terrible heartburn all day.  I take it at night now and don’t suffer from heartburn and sleep much better.  I was wondering if you know of any other NSAID’s that might work?  My last appointment on Jan 30th revealed that there is significant damage to my knees and joint replacement may be viable in the near future.  My lower back was the main reasons for seeing this DR and the pain clinic.  I guess this all goes along with DDD and DJD.  I was not ready for these diseases to affect me so rapidly.  I am approaching 40 and was a welder/fabricator/millwright for many years and blame the knee damage on the goofy positions I placed myself in, only to get the job done.  I thought the many years of martial arts would’ve slowed down the process, maybe it did. Maybe the added stress to my body made it weaker instead, who knows?  I don’t know why I am dumping this shit on you so forgive the intrusion if it bothers you.  I’m just looking for an anti-inflammatory that might give me some more time.  The only other drug of this king that I have tried is Naproxen and I think it is pretty much the same as the Relefen. Best to you and your family. Rob H

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just an FYI. > In today’s USA Today (Tues, Feb 6, 2001) > there is a cover artlcle in the LIFE section. > For some strange reason, this artcle is not included in the USAToday.com > website: > http://www.usatoday.com > I was gonna post a link, but seeing that the artcle isn’t there, I guess it’s > no go. > Basically, it talks about Celebrex and Vioxx > and how their actions haven’t been proven to be any more effective than > aspirin, or ibuprofen. > It also states that these 2 NSAIDS and Cox-2 inhibitors may make GI problems > less severe than their counterpar NSAIDS like relefen. > Also, the makers are going before the FDA tomorrow to see if they can take away > the warnings that other NSAID drugs must contain about the strong possibility > of GI problems such as ulcers, bleeding and perferation. > It also states that sales of Vioxx and Celebrex combined, have topped $3.2 > billion  from Jan-Nov 2000. > Celebrex sales were $1.9 billion in this period (up 55% from the previous > year)) > while Vioxx sales were $1.2 billion (up 376% from the previous year) > They say that sales of these 2 products still have much more room to increase, > especially if the FDA approves removal of the GI warnings that both must > include. > Just thought some of you may be interested > in this info. > ~alex

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Rob, I agree with you, the  cost of the Celebrex and Vioxx is outrageous and they do not do much to relive the pain anyway, do they? You spoke of seeing a joint replacement down the road.  I hope that you will consider it!  I don’t know what the stats are for someone as young as you but I am here to tell you that getting my rt. knee replacement is Sept., even with the slowdown in healing because of my diabetes and auto-immune problems. was worth every single pain the rehab cost! I would never tell you that it wasn’t hard to go thru, the pain the first days is at a 14+, and the first few days were hell, BUT, I was walking down the hall within days and up and down stairs, (just like a normal person LOL) within a week!  I have absolutely NO pain in the joint!  My problems with the healing process notwithstanding, I am going to see if they will do the other knee, maybe next year! You can only go so long on any NSAID before you develop gastric and biliary problems.  That is just the facts!  They all, even the Cox 2’s cause those problems.  It frightens me that so many people are wolfing down all those OTC NSAID’s thinking they are so safe!  When we all know that they are dangerous! Jo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Alex, I have tried both celebrex and vioxx.  They don’t do anything >beneficial for me so I have resumed taking 1000 mg Relefen.  I feel some >relief from joint swelling but not enough.  I tried taking the Relefen in >the morning and found that this causes terrible heartburn all day. I take >it at night now and don’t suffer from heartburn and sleep much better.  I >was wondering if you know of any other NSAID’s that might work?  My last >appointment on Jan 30th revealed that there is significant damage to my >knees and joint replacement may be viable in the near future.  My lower back >was the main reasons for seeing this DR and the pain clinic.  I guess this >all goes along with DDD and DJD.  I was not ready for these diseases to >affect me so rapidly.  I am approaching 40 and was a >welder/fabricator/millwright for many years and blame the knee damage on the >goofy positions I placed myself in, only to get the job done.  I thought the >many years of martial arts would’ve slowed down the process, maybe it did. >Maybe the added stress to my body made it weaker instead, who knows?  I >don’t know why I am dumping this shit on you so forgive the intrusion if it >bothers you.  I’m just looking for an anti-inflammatory that might give me >some more time.  The only other drug of this king that I have tried is >Naproxen and I think it is pretty much the same as the Relefen. >Best to you and your family. >Rob H > Just an FYI. > In today’s USA Today (Tues, Feb 6, 2001) > there is a cover artlcle in the LIFE section. > For some strange reason, this artcle is not included in the USAToday.com > website: > http://www.usatoday.com > I was gonna post a link, but seeing that the artcle isn’t there, I guess >it’s > no go. > Basically, it talks about Celebrex and Vioxx > and how their actions haven’t been proven to be any more effective than > aspirin, or ibuprofen. > It also states that these 2 NSAIDS and Cox-2 inhibitors may make GI >problems > less severe than their counterpar NSAIDS like relefen. > Also, the makers are going before the FDA tomorrow to see if they can take >away > the warnings that other NSAID drugs must contain about the strong >possibility > of GI problems such as ulcers, bleeding and perferation. > It also states that sales of Vioxx and Celebrex combined, have topped $3.2 > billion  from Jan-Nov 2000. > Celebrex sales were $1.9 billion in this period (up 55% from the previous > year)) > while Vioxx sales were $1.2 billion (up 376% from the previous year) > They say that sales of these 2 products still have much more room to >increase, > especially if the FDA approves removal of the GI warnings that both must > include. > Just thought some of you may be interested > in this info. > ~alex

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   Jo, I really hope that the knee thing can be put off for a long while.  I have no doubt that the replacement would be successful but when it comes to my knees, I’m a big baby!  Even the thought of being given the cortisone and other injections causes my teeth to itch!  I can move my knee caps all over the place and sometimes without warning, they lock and down I go.  I usually have to climb my cane to get vertical again.  The pain is so severe sometimes I can’t keep my legs still, trying to find the sweet spot that will alleviate the pounding.  I have had some major surgery before and have never been afraid but find myself scared stupid for some reason.   I realize intellectually that replacements would be less painful than going through the paces to put off surgery but it hasn’t really hit home yet.  What was the worst scenario the DR’s gave you to think about and the odds on successful surgery?  Either way the worst being not able to walk.    I know I can’t keep eating NSAID’s for the rest of my life.  I don’t think they are doing anything special now, just giving me heartburn.  I eat 300 mg’s of MS Contin now and this isn’t touching the knee pain, this is a major factor contributing to my fear, I think!  My back pain is being fairly well taken care of though and that is questionable at times.  I have a fairly high tolerance to pain and fear the day when I just can’t take anymore.  Thanks for the shoulder to cry on and I wish you the best in clearing up that nasty infection.  I think maybe you should retire from the caregiver position and pass the torch to someone else.  You must take care of yourself so you can be their for her.  In the least, get some kind of outside help to assist you and your sister, three days a week.  Easier said than done but you are a resourceful lady and if anyone can pull this off, you can! Be well!! Rob H

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Rob, I agree with you, the  cost of the Celebrex and Vioxx is > outrageous and they do not do much to relive the pain anyway, do > they? > You spoke of seeing a joint replacement down the road.  I hope that > you will consider it!  I don’t know what the stats are for someone > as young as you but I am here to tell you that getting my rt. knee > replacement is Sept., even with the slowdown in healing because of > my diabetes and auto-immune problems. was worth every single pain > the rehab cost! > I would never tell you that it wasn’t hard to go thru, the pain the > first days is at a 14+, and the first few days were hell, BUT, I was > walking down the hall within days and up and down stairs, (just like > a normal person LOL) within a week!  I have absolutely NO pain in > the joint!  My problems with the healing process notwithstanding, I > am going to see if they will do the other knee, maybe next year! > You can only go so long on any NSAID before you develop gastric and > biliary problems.  That is just the facts!  They all, even the Cox > 2’s cause those problems.  It frightens me that so many people are > wolfing down all those OTC NSAID’s thinking they are so safe!  When > we all know that they are dangerous! > Jo

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ping dr work & dave: pain management

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Austrailia…and codeee wants to go there?????? — Bill Work

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Katharine Are you in the USA?  I think not, because I would HATE to think that > a US doctor would tell a patient that he needs "permission from the government" > to prescribe MSContin, Oxycontin or Methadone.  Sounds like you may do better > with a pain management specialist.  good luck.

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Do you know that there’s a site called Pain World, in Australia?  It’s a discussion group, but is not usenet.    Good people ….. if you’d like the url, let me know. — Harley

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You won’t get an entire day’s worth of analgesia from this dosage, but it > certainly is worth trying. Since this medication lasts 4 to 6 hours, *unless > you were instructed otherwise* (You know that you have to follow your > Physician’s specific instructions if these were given)  I would recommend > 1/2 tablet along with your other medication to see if you can tolerate the > drug, and if it provides any relief at all in low dose, if you were given > dosing "freedom" for this trial prescription. Since your upper limit, as > defined by your current MD, is 1 and 1/2 tablet per day, this will give you > 6 doses per 24 hours.

Not sure where you got 6 doses from – 1/2 tablet at a time is three doses to get to the 1 1/2 total for the day. Anyway, I’ll give it a try, and see how I respond. The doc said to start with half a tablet once a day, and work my way up to three times a day. My main concern is that there’s 20 in the pack – only a week’s worth at the prescribed dosage. I assume I need to taper down off them? Anyway, off to the chemist to fill the script :) snipped > Also, If you see your Physician prior to pain management, ask for some > samples of Celebrex. COX II meds do work for some people very well, and is > worth trying, even when other NSAIDS have failed. Taken after the evening > meal (and 3 hours before bedtime-heartburn) Celebrex has been very effective > for several of my clients as an adjunct to pain management.

That’s what he was going to try with me, but as inflamation isn’t the problem, I don’t know how they could help. And I’m a bit worried about the side-effects. Also, it seemed like he just picked the name of the drug out of a hat, rather than it being something that he considered along with other possibilities, so I didn’t really trust what he was saying. Does adjunct mean in addition to other pain meds? > I knew that Australia’s Medicare had some prior approval requirements for > certain drugs-are the expensive SR opiates the only ones restricted? Opiates > in general?

snipped I don’t know how it works here, I’ll soon find out I suppose! > Also, give a Chemist a call and see if MS Contin and Oxycontin are available > in Australia. Canada has both, and I can see no reason that "Oz" would > exclude these two meds!

Just done that – looks like they are. But the doc said the long-acting Oxycontin is only available as a suppository at this stage! Pills coming soon I think. Katharine Maxwell.

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  Weather plays a big part in how I feel.  Can you tell me how you can tell the difference?  Humidity really causes me pain also.  Humidity effects my whole body especially my hands, neck and knees.  What anti -inflammatory work for you?  I just tried Vioxx and have nothing good to say about it. See ya. Rob

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sorry Rob…didn’t mean to hurt your head! > Weekends are for fun, not for thinking…I agree! > Thanks for the info, BTW. I have both osteoarthritis and > DDD in the same spot, too..lumbar spine. But I know the difference in > how they feel at different times, but that’s just me. > Weather is only a factor for my osteo, not my DDD. > Anyway, enjoy the rest of your weekend! > Best to you, > Trailingvine >The Merriam-Webster Dictionary states >Osteoarthritis : arthritis marked by degeneration of the cartilage and bone >of joints. >I was told by my orthopedic surgeon that Osteoarthritis is the brood term >used.  DDD (Degenerative Disc Disease), DJD( Degenerative Joint Disease), >DFD (Degenerative Facet Disease) are more specific as to the location of >Osteoarthritis. >The radiologist’s report referring to my MRI also calls it Osteo in one >sentence and then DDD in the next.  If they are two different conditions, I >have them both in one location. Osteo by definition means bone. Arthritis >is : inflammation of a joint or joints resulting in pain and swelling. I am >told that the definition depends on it’s source and is argumentative among >health care professionals.  Sorta like what came first the chicken or the >egg. > Now you went and made me think!  It’s the weekend, it is not time to think. >http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/diseases/osteoart.html#_1_1 >Rob Hartley >> Rob.. >> DDD and osteoarthritis are 2 different conditions. >> DDD is a disease of the spinal discs, where they degenerate and fall >> apart. >> Osteoarthritis is the most common form of arthritis, taking place in >> the joints. Most people who suffer from DDD also get osteoarthritis in >> the spine, which is where you are getting confused, I think. >> Dr. Work and others can go more in depth than I can on this, but I >> know that I am correct in that they are different diseases. >> Take care, >> Trailingvine >>  "To live happily is an inward power of the soul" >>                   Marcus Aurelius >> >Hi, I’m not 100% positive but I think Osteoarthritis is the same thing as >> >DDD and DJD (degenerative joint disease).  I also have Osteoarthritis and >> >found that Relafen has helped me.  Relafen is a NSAID and I think since >> >everyone is different that you must experiment with different drugs until >> >you find the one(s) that works.  I tried the new drug (Vioxx) and it >doesn’t >> >do diddly for me.  I always go back to the Relafen (1000 mgs/day). I >> >sincerely hope you find the combination that works and you have a >relatively >> >pain free life. >> >Rob >> ><snip> message >> ><snip> >> >> > > > > > He suggested something called celebrex, which he said is new. >I >> >> asked >> >> > > him what was in it, and he looked it up in the book and showed me. >> >> It >> >> > > said it was a COX-2 inhibitor. He said something action on >> >> > > prostaglandin… and that it was like the anti-inflammatories. The >> >> > > book mentioned side effects such as stomach problems, but he said >> >> few >> >> > > people had these problems. >> >> > > Anyway, it looked like an NSAID to me, which I’ve had two courses >> >> of, >> >> > > and they’ve had absolutely no affect. He said it also wasn’t just >> >> > > that, but also acted as a pain killer, but I wasn’t convinced. >Plus, >> >> > > the book said it was indicated for conditions such as >> >> osteoarthritis, >> >> > > and that’s nothing to do with what I’ve got (DDD). >> >> > > So, I brought out the big guns, and layed out on the table my >> >> > > printouts of info on Morphine Sulphate, and Oxycodone. He said he’d >> >> be >> >> > > prepared to give me a script for Oxycodone, but only one at this >> >> > > stage, as he has to get permission from the government as it’s a >> >> > > restricted drug. Plus, only the short-acting one is available in >> >> > > tablet form – the long-acting one only as a suppository (it’s >coming >> >> > > in tablet form soon apparently). He was wary of prescribing >Morphine >> >> > > Sulphate due to the restrictions, and he feels he should go step by >> >> > > step up to them rather than directly to them. He sees Morphine as >> >> > > being one step up from Oxycodone. >> >> > > So, we concluded that I’d be better off going to a pain management >> >> > > specialist, who deals with this kind of stuff all the time. That >> >> makes >> >> > > sense to me, but I wanted to give him a fair go first. But when he >> >> > > kept bringing up the problem of the addictive properties of these >> >> > > drugs… that kind of made up my mind :) At least he was pleasant >> >> > > about the whole thing, and was happy to hear what I had to say. >> >> > > Anyway, I’ve got a script for the Oxycodone. Is it worthwhile >> >> filling >> >> > > it? It’s for 5 mg tablets, to work my way up from 1/2 tablet a day >> >> to >> >> > > 1 1/2 tablets a day. Or should I just stick to the panadeine forte? >> >> > > (paracetamol 500mg, codeine phosphate 30mg), which I know works >> >> > > (although makes me feel a bit strange, but helps with the pain). >> >> > > Now I just have to find a pain specialist who’s not afraid to >> >> > > prescribe opiods if they are appropriate! I’ve got a couple of >leads >> >> > > from http://www.chronicpaininc.com/ and will be following them up. >> >> > > That’s my update! >> >> > > — >> >> > > Katharine Maxwell >> >> > > spamblock in action. Work it out! >> >> Before you buy. > " Because you have the most marvelous youth, and youth is the one thing worth having." >                     Oscar Wilde

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Sorry Rob…didn’t mean to hurt your head! Weekends are for fun, not for thinking…I agree! Thanks for the info, BTW. I have both osteoarthritis and DDD in the same spot, too..lumbar spine. But I know the difference in how they feel at different times, but that’s just me. Weather is only a factor for my osteo, not my DDD. Anyway, enjoy the rest of your weekend! Best to you, Trailingvine – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->The Merriam-Webster Dictionary states >Osteoarthritis : arthritis marked by degeneration of the cartilage and bone >of joints. >I was told by my orthopedic surgeon that Osteoarthritis is the brood term >used.  DDD (Degenerative Disc Disease), DJD( Degenerative Joint Disease), >DFD (Degenerative Facet Disease) are more specific as to the location of >Osteoarthritis. >The radiologist’s report referring to my MRI also calls it Osteo in one >sentence and then DDD in the next.  If they are two different conditions, I >have them both in one location. Osteo by definition means bone.  Arthritis >is : inflammation of a joint or joints resulting in pain and swelling. I am >told that the definition depends on it’s source and is argumentative among >health care professionals.  Sorta like what came first the chicken or the >egg. > Now you went and made me think!  It’s the weekend, it is not time to think. >http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/diseases/osteoart.html#_1_1 >Rob Hartley > Rob.. > DDD and osteoarthritis are 2 different conditions. > DDD is a disease of the spinal discs, where they degenerate and fall > apart. > Osteoarthritis is the most common form of arthritis, taking place in > the joints. Most people who suffer from DDD also get osteoarthritis in > the spine, which is where you are getting confused, I think. > Dr. Work and others can go more in depth than I can on this, but I > know that I am correct in that they are different diseases. > Take care, > Trailingvine >  "To live happily is an inward power of the soul" >                   Marcus Aurelius > >Hi, I’m not 100% positive but I think Osteoarthritis is the same thing as > >DDD and DJD (degenerative joint disease).  I also have Osteoarthritis and > >found that Relafen has helped me.  Relafen is a NSAID and I think since > >everyone is different that you must experiment with different drugs until > >you find the one(s) that works.  I tried the new drug (Vioxx) and it >doesn’t > >do diddly for me.  I always go back to the Relafen (1000 mgs/day). I > >sincerely hope you find the combination that works and you have a >relatively > >pain free life. > >Rob > ><snip> > ><snip> > >> > > > > > He suggested something called celebrex, which he said is new. >I > >> asked > >> > > him what was in it, and he looked it up in the book and showed me. > >> It > >> > > said it was a COX-2 inhibitor. He said something action on > >> > > prostaglandin… and that it was like the anti-inflammatories. The > >> > > book mentioned side effects such as stomach problems, but he said > >> few > >> > > people had these problems. > >> > > Anyway, it looked like an NSAID to me, which I’ve had two courses > >> of, > >> > > and they’ve had absolutely no affect. He said it also wasn’t just > >> > > that, but also acted as a pain killer, but I wasn’t convinced. >Plus, > >> > > the book said it was indicated for conditions such as > >> osteoarthritis, > >> > > and that’s nothing to do with what I’ve got (DDD). > >> > > So, I brought out the big guns, and layed out on the table my > >> > > printouts of info on Morphine Sulphate, and Oxycodone. He said he’d > >> be > >> > > prepared to give me a script for Oxycodone, but only one at this > >> > > stage, as he has to get permission from the government as it’s a > >> > > restricted drug. Plus, only the short-acting one is available in > >> > > tablet form – the long-acting one only as a suppository (it’s >coming > >> > > in tablet form soon apparently). He was wary of prescribing >Morphine > >> > > Sulphate due to the restrictions, and he feels he should go step by > >> > > step up to them rather than directly to them. He sees Morphine as > >> > > being one step up from Oxycodone. > >> > > So, we concluded that I’d be better off going to a pain management > >> > > specialist, who deals with this kind of stuff all the time. That > >> makes > >> > > sense to me, but I wanted to give him a fair go first. But when he > >> > > kept bringing up the problem of the addictive properties of these > >> > > drugs… that kind of made up my mind :) At least he was pleasant > >> > > about the whole thing, and was happy to hear what I had to say. > >> > > Anyway, I’ve got a script for the Oxycodone. Is it worthwhile > >> filling > >> > > it? It’s for 5 mg tablets, to work my way up from 1/2 tablet a day > >> to > >> > > 1 1/2 tablets a day. Or should I just stick to the panadeine forte? > >> > > (paracetamol 500mg, codeine phosphate 30mg), which I know works > >> > > (although makes me feel a bit strange, but helps with the pain). > >> > > Now I just have to find a pain specialist who’s not afraid to > >> > > prescribe opiods if they are appropriate! I’ve got a couple of >leads > >> > > from http://www.chronicpaininc.com/ and will be following them up. > >> > > That’s my update! > >> > > — > >> > > Katharine Maxwell > >> > > spamblock in action. Work it out! > >> Before you buy.

" Because you have the most marvelous youth, and youth is the one thing worth having."                     Oscar Wilde

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Thank you for your feedback, much appreciated. Katharine.

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The Merriam-Webster Dictionary states Osteoarthritis : arthritis marked by degeneration of the cartilage and bone of joints. I was told by my orthopedic surgeon that Osteoarthritis is the brood term used.  DDD (Degenerative Disc Disease), DJD( Degenerative Joint Disease), DFD (Degenerative Facet Disease) are more specific as to the location of Osteoarthritis. The radiologist’s report referring to my MRI also calls it Osteo in one sentence and then DDD in the next.  If they are two different conditions, I have them both in one location. Osteo by definition means bone.  Arthritis is : inflammation of a joint or joints resulting in pain and swelling. I am told that the definition depends on it’s source and is argumentative among health care professionals.  Sorta like what came first the chicken or the egg.  Now you went and made me think!  It’s the weekend, it is not time to think. http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/diseases/osteoart.html#_1_1 Rob Hartley – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Rob.. > DDD and osteoarthritis are 2 different conditions. > DDD is a disease of the spinal discs, where they degenerate and fall > apart. > Osteoarthritis is the most common form of arthritis, taking place in > the joints. Most people who suffer from DDD also get osteoarthritis in > the spine, which is where you are getting confused, I think. > Dr. Work and others can go more in depth than I can on this, but I > know that I am correct in that they are different diseases. > Take care, > Trailingvine >  "To live happily is an inward power of the soul" >                   Marcus Aurelius >Hi, I’m not 100% positive but I think Osteoarthritis is the same thing as >DDD and DJD (degenerative joint disease).  I also have Osteoarthritis and >found that Relafen has helped me.  Relafen is a NSAID and I think since >everyone is different that you must experiment with different drugs until >you find the one(s) that works.  I tried the new drug (Vioxx) and it doesn’t >do diddly for me.  I always go back to the Relafen (1000 mgs/day). I >sincerely hope you find the combination that works and you have a relatively >pain free life. >Rob ><snip> ><snip> >> > > > > > He suggested something called celebrex, which he said is new. I >> asked >> > > him what was in it, and he looked it up in the book and showed me. >> It >> > > said it was a COX-2 inhibitor. He said something action on >> > > prostaglandin… and that it was like the anti-inflammatories. The >> > > book mentioned side effects such as stomach problems, but he said >> few >> > > people had these problems. >> > > Anyway, it looked like an NSAID to me, which I’ve had two courses >> of, >> > > and they’ve had absolutely no affect. He said it also wasn’t just >> > > that, but also acted as a pain killer, but I wasn’t convinced. Plus, >> > > the book said it was indicated for conditions such as >> osteoarthritis, >> > > and that’s nothing to do with what I’ve got (DDD). >> > > So, I brought out the big guns, and layed out on the table my >> > > printouts of info on Morphine Sulphate, and Oxycodone. He said he’d >> be >> > > prepared to give me a script for Oxycodone, but only one at this >> > > stage, as he has to get permission from the government as it’s a >> > > restricted drug. Plus, only the short-acting one is available in >> > > tablet form – the long-acting one only as a suppository (it’s coming >> > > in tablet form soon apparently). He was wary of prescribing Morphine >> > > Sulphate due to the restrictions, and he feels he should go step by >> > > step up to them rather than directly to them. He sees Morphine as >> > > being one step up from Oxycodone. >> > > So, we concluded that I’d be better off going to a pain management >> > > specialist, who deals with this kind of stuff all the time. That >> makes >> > > sense to me, but I wanted to give him a fair go first. But when he >> > > kept bringing up the problem of the addictive properties of these >> > > drugs… that kind of made up my mind :) At least he was pleasant >> > > about the whole thing, and was happy to hear what I had to say. >> > > Anyway, I’ve got a script for the Oxycodone. Is it worthwhile >> filling >> > > it? It’s for 5 mg tablets, to work my way up from 1/2 tablet a day >> to >> > > 1 1/2 tablets a day. Or should I just stick to the panadeine forte? >> > > (paracetamol 500mg, codeine phosphate 30mg), which I know works >> > > (although makes me feel a bit strange, but helps with the pain). >> > > Now I just have to find a pain specialist who’s not afraid to >> > > prescribe opiods if they are appropriate! I’ve got a couple of leads >> > > from http://www.chronicpaininc.com/ and will be following them up. >> > > That’s my update! >> > > — >> > > Katharine Maxwell >> > > spamblock in action. Work it out! >> Before you buy.

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Rob.. DDD and osteoarthritis are 2 different conditions. DDD is a disease of the spinal discs, where they degenerate and fall apart. Osteoarthritis is the most common form of arthritis, taking place in the joints. Most people who suffer from DDD also get osteoarthritis in the spine, which is where you are getting confused, I think. Dr. Work and others can go more in depth than I can on this, but I know that I am correct in that they are different diseases. Take care, Trailingvine  "To live happily is an inward power of the soul"                   Marcus Aurelius – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hi, I’m not 100% positive but I think Osteoarthritis is the same thing as >DDD and DJD (degenerative joint disease).  I also have Osteoarthritis and >found that Relafen has helped me.  Relafen is a NSAID and I think since >everyone is different that you must experiment with different drugs until >you find the one(s) that works.  I tried the new drug (Vioxx) and it doesn’t >do diddly for me.  I always go back to the Relafen (1000 mgs/day). I >sincerely hope you find the combination that works and you have a relatively >pain free life. >Rob ><snip> ><snip> > > > > > > He suggested something called celebrex, which he said is new. I > asked > > > him what was in it, and he looked it up in the book and showed me. > It > > > said it was a COX-2 inhibitor. He said something action on > > > prostaglandin… and that it was like the anti-inflammatories. The > > > book mentioned side effects such as stomach problems, but he said > few > > > people had these problems. > > > Anyway, it looked like an NSAID to me, which I’ve had two courses > of, > > > and they’ve had absolutely no affect. He said it also wasn’t just > > > that, but also acted as a pain killer, but I wasn’t convinced. Plus, > > > the book said it was indicated for conditions such as > osteoarthritis, > > > and that’s nothing to do with what I’ve got (DDD). > > > So, I brought out the big guns, and layed out on the table my > > > printouts of info on Morphine Sulphate, and Oxycodone. He said he’d > be > > > prepared to give me a script for Oxycodone, but only one at this > > > stage, as he has to get permission from the government as it’s a > > > restricted drug. Plus, only the short-acting one is available in > > > tablet form – the long-acting one only as a suppository (it’s coming > > > in tablet form soon apparently). He was wary of prescribing Morphine > > > Sulphate due to the restrictions, and he feels he should go step by > > > step up to them rather than directly to them. He sees Morphine as > > > being one step up from Oxycodone. > > > So, we concluded that I’d be better off going to a pain management > > > specialist, who deals with this kind of stuff all the time. That > makes > > > sense to me, but I wanted to give him a fair go first. But when he > > > kept bringing up the problem of the addictive properties of these > > > drugs… that kind of made up my mind :) At least he was pleasant > > > about the whole thing, and was happy to hear what I had to say. > > > Anyway, I’ve got a script for the Oxycodone. Is it worthwhile > filling > > > it? It’s for 5 mg tablets, to work my way up from 1/2 tablet a day > to > > > 1 1/2 tablets a day. Or should I just stick to the panadeine forte? > > > (paracetamol 500mg, codeine phosphate 30mg), which I know works > > > (although makes me feel a bit strange, but helps with the pain). > > > Now I just have to find a pain specialist who’s not afraid to > > > prescribe opiods if they are appropriate! I’ve got a couple of leads > > > from http://www.chronicpaininc.com/ and will be following them up. > > > That’s my update! > > > — > > > Katharine Maxwell > > > spamblock in action. Work it out! > Before you buy.

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Hi, I’m not 100% positive but I think Osteoarthritis is the same thing as DDD and DJD (degenerative joint disease).  I also have Osteoarthritis and found that Relafen has helped me.  Relafen is a NSAID and I think since everyone is different that you must experiment with different drugs until you find the one(s) that works.  I tried the new drug (Vioxx) and it doesn’t do diddly for me.  I always go back to the Relafen (1000 mgs/day). I sincerely hope you find the combination that works and you have a relatively pain free life. Rob <snip>

<snip> – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > > > He suggested something called celebrex, which he said is new. I > asked > > him what was in it, and he looked it up in the book and showed me. > It > > said it was a COX-2 inhibitor. He said something action on > > prostaglandin… and that it was like the anti-inflammatories. The > > book mentioned side effects such as stomach problems, but he said > few > > people had these problems. > > Anyway, it looked like an NSAID to me, which I’ve had two courses > of, > > and they’ve had absolutely no affect. He said it also wasn’t just > > that, but also acted as a pain killer, but I wasn’t convinced. Plus, > > the book said it was indicated for conditions such as > osteoarthritis, > > and that’s nothing to do with what I’ve got (DDD). > > So, I brought out the big guns, and layed out on the table my > > printouts of info on Morphine Sulphate, and Oxycodone. He said he’d > be > > prepared to give me a script for Oxycodone, but only one at this > > stage, as he has to get permission from the government as it’s a > > restricted drug. Plus, only the short-acting one is available in > > tablet form – the long-acting one only as a suppository (it’s coming > > in tablet form soon apparently). He was wary of prescribing Morphine > > Sulphate due to the restrictions, and he feels he should go step by > > step up to them rather than directly to them. He sees Morphine as > > being one step up from Oxycodone. > > So, we concluded that I’d be better off going to a pain management > > specialist, who deals with this kind of stuff all the time. That > makes > > sense to me, but I wanted to give him a fair go first. But when he > > kept bringing up the problem of the addictive properties of these > > drugs… that kind of made up my mind :) At least he was pleasant > > about the whole thing, and was happy to hear what I had to say. > > Anyway, I’ve got a script for the Oxycodone. Is it worthwhile > filling > > it? It’s for 5 mg tablets, to work my way up from 1/2 tablet a day > to > > 1 1/2 tablets a day. Or should I just stick to the panadeine forte? > > (paracetamol 500mg, codeine phosphate 30mg), which I know works > > (although makes me feel a bit strange, but helps with the pain). > > Now I just have to find a pain specialist who’s not afraid to > > prescribe opiods if they are appropriate! I’ve got a couple of leads > > from http://www.chronicpaininc.com/ and will be following them up. > > That’s my update! > > — > > Katharine Maxwell > > spamblock in action. Work it out! > Before you buy.

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Good luck with the new doc. Katherine, I think (bet)you’ll notiice a difference between the oxy and the stuff he was giving you.  I’m glad he didn’t blow up when you showed him the information. codeee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I hope you find some relief with the oxycodone…but it is short-acting.  At > least the pain doc will be able to tell how much you will need for > long-acting. > — > Bill Work > Well, I went back to the doctor, armed with all my research and > new-found knowledge of treatment of chronic pain. I explained that the > panamax (Tylenol) didn’t do a thing, except suppress my appetite a bit > (bringing it back to normal – the Luvox has increased it). Waited to > see what he’d say. > He said he’d like to step me up one level – panadeine (paracetamol > 500mg, codeine phosphate 8mg). > I said I’d prefer not to, as I wasn’t happy being on medication which > was designed for short-term pain, and is also short-acting – I need > something that’s long acting. He also suggested straight codeine, but > I balked at that for the same reason. > He suggested something called celebrex, which he said is new. I asked > him what was in it, and he looked it up in the book and showed me. It > said it was a COX-2 inhibitor. He said something action on > prostaglandin… and that it was like the anti-inflammatories. The > book mentioned side effects such as stomach problems, but he said few > people had these problems. > Anyway, it looked like an NSAID to me, which I’ve had two courses of, > and they’ve had absolutely no affect. He said it also wasn’t just > that, but also acted as a pain killer, but I wasn’t convinced. Plus, > the book said it was indicated for conditions such as osteoarthritis, > and that’s nothing to do with what I’ve got (DDD). > So, I brought out the big guns, and layed out on the table my > printouts of info on Morphine Sulphate, and Oxycodone. He said he’d be > prepared to give me a script for Oxycodone, but only one at this > stage, as he has to get permission from the government as it’s a > restricted drug. Plus, only the short-acting one is available in > tablet form – the long-acting one only as a suppository (it’s coming > in tablet form soon apparently). He was wary of prescribing Morphine > Sulphate due to the restrictions, and he feels he should go step by > step up to them rather than directly to them. He sees Morphine as > being one step up from Oxycodone. > So, we concluded that I’d be better off going to a pain management > specialist, who deals with this kind of stuff all the time. That makes > sense to me, but I wanted to give him a fair go first. But when he > kept bringing up the problem of the addictive properties of these > drugs… that kind of made up my mind :) At least he was pleasant > about the whole thing, and was happy to hear what I had to say. > Anyway, I’ve got a script for the Oxycodone. Is it worthwhile filling > it? It’s for 5 mg tablets, to work my way up from 1/2 tablet a day to > 1 1/2 tablets a day. Or should I just stick to the panadeine forte? > (paracetamol 500mg, codeine phosphate 30mg), which I know works > (although makes me feel a bit strange, but helps with the pain). > Now I just have to find a pain specialist who’s not afraid to > prescribe opiods if they are appropriate! I’ve got a couple of leads > from http://www.chronicpaininc.com/ and will be following them up. > That’s my update! > — > Katharine Maxwell > spamblock in action. Work it out!

Before you buy.

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Katharine Are you in the USA?  I think not, because I would HATE to think that a US doctor would tell a patient that he needs "permission from the government" to prescribe MSContin, Oxycontin or Methadone.  Sounds like you may do better with a pain management specialist.  good luck.

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Australia. — Katharine Maxwell spamblock in action. Work it out!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Katharine Are you in the USA?  I think not, because I would HATE to think that > a US doctor would tell a patient that he needs "permission from the government" > to prescribe MSContin, Oxycontin or Methadone.  Sounds like you may do better > with a pain management specialist.  good luck.

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Katharine, You won’t get an entire day’s worth of analgesia from this dosage, but it certainly is worth trying. Since this medication lasts 4 to 6 hours, *unless you were instructed otherwise* (You know that you have to follow your Physician’s specific instructions if these were given)  I would recommend 1/2 tablet along with your other medication to see if you can tolerate the drug, and if it provides any relief at all in low dose, if you were given dosing "freedom" for this trial prescription. Since your upper limit, as defined by your current MD, is 1 and 1/2 tablet per day, this will give you 6 doses per 24 hours. If you have no response, a whole tablet after supper or bedtime is worth an attempt to see how effective this is for you. Dr Work is (of course) very correct in that this trial Rx will at least give a baseline for the pain management physician to look at, and also some exposure to the medication for you to discuss with the pain management Physician.     You shouldn’t have to take two opiates (Oxycodone and codeine) but it looks like that is your only option right now. – Anyway, give it a fair go-sometimes it is surprising what will work for you. Also, If you see your Physician prior to pain management, ask for some samples of Celebrex. COX II meds do work for some people very well, and is worth trying, even when other NSAIDS have failed. Taken after the evening meal (and 3 hours before bedtime-heartburn) Celebrex has been very effective for several of my clients as an adjunct to pain management. I knew that Australia’s Medicare had some prior approval requirements for certain drugs-are the expensive SR opiates the only ones restricted? Opiates in general? I know that our system in the US severely monitors the use of opiates, but permission prior to prescribing (and dispensing) is not required by the government. It is required by some HMOs and Pharmacy Benefit Managers (PBMs) in the insurance industry-not for dispensing, but for payment. Also, give a Chemist a call and see if MS Contin and Oxycontin are available in Australia. Canada has both, and I can see no reason that "Oz" would exclude these two meds! Hope this information is of some value to you Dave/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well, I went back to the doctor, armed with all my research and > new-found knowledge of treatment of chronic pain. I explained that the > panamax (Tylenol) didn’t do a thing, except suppress my appetite a bit > (bringing it back to normal – the Luvox has increased it). Waited to > see what he’d say. > He said he’d like to step me up one level – panadeine (paracetamol > 500mg, codeine phosphate 8mg). > I said I’d prefer not to, as I wasn’t happy being on medication which > was designed for short-term pain, and is also short-acting – I need > something that’s long acting. He also suggested straight codeine, but > I balked at that for the same reason. > He suggested something called celebrex, which he said is new. I asked > him what was in it, and he looked it up in the book and showed me. It > said it was a COX-2 inhibitor. He said something action on > prostaglandin… and that it was like the anti-inflammatories. The > book mentioned side effects such as stomach problems, but he said few > people had these problems. > Anyway, it looked like an NSAID to me, which I’ve had two courses of, > and they’ve had absolutely no affect. He said it also wasn’t just > that, but also acted as a pain killer, but I wasn’t convinced. Plus, > the book said it was indicated for conditions such as osteoarthritis, > and that’s nothing to do with what I’ve got (DDD). > So, I brought out the big guns, and layed out on the table my > printouts of info on Morphine Sulphate, and Oxycodone. He said he’d be > prepared to give me a script for Oxycodone, but only one at this > stage, as he has to get permission from the government as it’s a > restricted drug. Plus, only the short-acting one is available in > tablet form – the long-acting one only as a suppository (it’s coming > in tablet form soon apparently). He was wary of prescribing Morphine > Sulphate due to the restrictions, and he feels he should go step by > step up to them rather than directly to them. He sees Morphine as > being one step up from Oxycodone. > So, we concluded that I’d be better off going to a pain management > specialist, who deals with this kind of stuff all the time. That makes > sense to me, but I wanted to give him a fair go first. But when he > kept bringing up the problem of the addictive properties of these > drugs… that kind of made up my mind :) At least he was pleasant > about the whole thing, and was happy to hear what I had to say. > Anyway, I’ve got a script for the Oxycodone. Is it worthwhile filling > it? It’s for 5 mg tablets, to work my way up from 1/2 tablet a day to > 1 1/2 tablets a day. Or should I just stick to the panadeine forte? > (paracetamol 500mg, codeine phosphate 30mg), which I know works > (although makes me feel a bit strange, but helps with the pain). > Now I just have to find a pain specialist who’s not afraid to > prescribe opiods if they are appropriate! I’ve got a couple of leads > from http://www.chronicpaininc.com/ and will be following them up. > That’s my update! > — > Katharine Maxwell > spamblock in action. Work it out!

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<snip story of doctor visit> > Anyway, I’ve got a script for the Oxycodone. Is it worthwhile filling > it? It’s for 5 mg tablets, to work my way up from 1/2 tablet a day to > 1 1/2 tablets a day. Or should I just stick to the panadeine forte? > (paracetamol 500mg, codeine phosphate 30mg), which I know works > (although makes me feel a bit strange, but helps with the pain).

Katharine, For many of us these doses of oxycodone would be considered quite low (a common short-term med here [USA] is Percocet/Percodan which each have 5 or 4.5 mg of oxycodone plus tylenol or aspirin, repectively). Such low doses may work well for a patient who has no opiate use history and could work for you, since you have only used codeine up until now. However, the limits the doc put on your frequency of use may mean that you get only 4-6 hours of pain relief a day. Sounds to me like it is worth trying as a temporary measure until you get set up with someone in pain management. If you have the option of using the panadeine forte as a backup, keep it on hand. Dave Patterson or Bill Work are better to advise you on this, since you are being given pure oxycodone, there is little reason to worry about taking the panadeine forte too soon after the oxycodone. > Now I just have to find a pain specialist who’s not afraid to > prescribe opiods if they are appropriate! I’ve got a couple of leads > from http://www.chronicpaininc.com/ and will be following them up.

I hope one of them works out for you! — Hot Sun "There are lies, damn lies, and project management updates." Visit our humble Home page at http://members.home.net/mmart2/index.html To get my real address, remove the "nojunk" from it.

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I hope you find some relief with the oxycodone…but it is short-acting.  At least the pain doc will be able to tell how much you will need for long-acting. — Bill Work

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well, I went back to the doctor, armed with all my research and > new-found knowledge of treatment of chronic pain. I explained that the > panamax (Tylenol) didn’t do a thing, except suppress my appetite a bit > (bringing it back to normal – the Luvox has increased it). Waited to > see what he’d say. > He said he’d like to step me up one level – panadeine (paracetamol > 500mg, codeine phosphate 8mg). > I said I’d prefer not to, as I wasn’t happy being on medication which > was designed for short-term pain, and is also short-acting – I need > something that’s long acting. He also suggested straight codeine, but > I balked at that for the same reason. > He suggested something called celebrex, which he said is new. I asked > him what was in it, and he looked it up in the book and showed me. It > said it was a COX-2 inhibitor. He said something action on > prostaglandin… and that it was like the anti-inflammatories. The > book mentioned side effects such as stomach problems, but he said few > people had these problems. > Anyway, it looked like an NSAID to me, which I’ve had two courses of, > and they’ve had absolutely no affect. He said it also wasn’t just > that, but also acted as a pain killer, but I wasn’t convinced. Plus, > the book said it was indicated for conditions such as osteoarthritis, > and that’s nothing to do with what I’ve got (DDD). > So, I brought out the big guns, and layed out on the table my > printouts of info on Morphine Sulphate, and Oxycodone. He said he’d be > prepared to give me a script for Oxycodone, but only one at this > stage, as he has to get permission from the government as it’s a > restricted drug. Plus, only the short-acting one is available in > tablet form – the long-acting one only as a suppository (it’s coming > in tablet form soon apparently). He was wary of prescribing Morphine > Sulphate due to the restrictions, and he feels he should go step by > step up to them rather than directly to them. He sees Morphine as > being one step up from Oxycodone. > So, we concluded that I’d be better off going to a pain management > specialist, who deals with this kind of stuff all the time. That makes > sense to me, but I wanted to give him a fair go first. But when he > kept bringing up the problem of the addictive properties of these > drugs… that kind of made up my mind :) At least he was pleasant > about the whole thing, and was happy to hear what I had to say. > Anyway, I’ve got a script for the Oxycodone. Is it worthwhile filling > it? It’s for 5 mg tablets, to work my way up from 1/2 tablet a day to > 1 1/2 tablets a day. Or should I just stick to the panadeine forte? > (paracetamol 500mg, codeine phosphate 30mg), which I know works > (although makes me feel a bit strange, but helps with the pain). > Now I just have to find a pain specialist who’s not afraid to > prescribe opiods if they are appropriate! I’ve got a couple of leads > from http://www.chronicpaininc.com/ and will be following them up. > That’s my update! > — > Katharine Maxwell > spamblock in action. Work it out!

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Well, I went back to the doctor, armed with all my research and new-found knowledge of treatment of chronic pain. I explained that the panamax (Tylenol) didn’t do a thing, except suppress my appetite a bit (bringing it back to normal – the Luvox has increased it). Waited to see what he’d say. He said he’d like to step me up one level – panadeine (paracetamol 500mg, codeine phosphate 8mg). I said I’d prefer not to, as I wasn’t happy being on medication which was designed for short-term pain, and is also short-acting – I need something that’s long acting. He also suggested straight codeine, but I balked at that for the same reason. He suggested something called celebrex, which he said is new. I asked him what was in it, and he looked it up in the book and showed me. It said it was a COX-2 inhibitor. He said something action on prostaglandin… and that it was like the anti-inflammatories. The book mentioned side effects such as stomach problems, but he said few people had these problems. Anyway, it looked like an NSAID to me, which I’ve had two courses of, and they’ve had absolutely no affect. He said it also wasn’t just that, but also acted as a pain killer, but I wasn’t convinced. Plus, the book said it was indicated for conditions such as osteoarthritis, and that’s nothing to do with what I’ve got (DDD). So, I brought out the big guns, and layed out on the table my printouts of info on Morphine Sulphate, and Oxycodone. He said he’d be prepared to give me a script for Oxycodone, but only one at this stage, as he has to get permission from the government as it’s a restricted drug. Plus, only the short-acting one is available in tablet form – the long-acting one only as a suppository (it’s coming in tablet form soon apparently). He was wary of prescribing Morphine Sulphate due to the restrictions, and he feels he should go step by step up to them rather than directly to them. He sees Morphine as being one step up from Oxycodone. So, we concluded that I’d be better off going to a pain management specialist, who deals with this kind of stuff all the time. That makes sense to me, but I wanted to give him a fair go first. But when he kept bringing up the problem of the addictive properties of these drugs… that kind of made up my mind :) At least he was pleasant about the whole thing, and was happy to hear what I had to say. Anyway, I’ve got a script for the Oxycodone. Is it worthwhile filling it? It’s for 5 mg tablets, to work my way up from 1/2 tablet a day to 1 1/2 tablets a day. Or should I just stick to the panadeine forte? (paracetamol 500mg, codeine phosphate 30mg), which I know works (although makes me feel a bit strange, but helps with the pain). Now I just have to find a pain specialist who’s not afraid to prescribe opiods if they are appropriate! I’ve got a couple of leads from http://www.chronicpaininc.com/ and will be following them up. That’s my update! — Katharine Maxwell spamblock in action. Work it out!

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Do I have heartburn?????

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I am a twenty-one year old female that may have a problem with heartburn.  I persistently feel sick in the area behing my breast bone.  It is most severe in the morning when I wake up and a little bit less at night while trying to sleep.  I have found that a glass of milk by itself is an instant relief, but temporary.  I rarely feel like eating anything when I feel like this, but food sometimes relieves that sick feeling as well.  I do not have pains in my chest or my back, and I really don’t feel this way after eating.  Could this still be

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Moses here: It sounds like you have a heartburn problem. But consider this, it is possible you also have an ulcer. One doesn’t exclude the other. You need to visit the Doc!!! If you wait, problems like this often get worse. And if it it a cancer of some sort, it is also a sooner the better situation as regards visiting the Doc. Sincerely Moses Clarke > I am a twenty-one year old female that may have a problem with heartburn.  I > persistently feel sick in the area behing my breast bone.  It is most severe in > the morning when I wake up and a little bit less at night while trying to > sleep.  I have found that a glass of milk by itself is an instant relief, but > temporary.  I rarely feel like eating anything when I feel like this, but food > sometimes relieves that sick feeling as well.  I do not have pains in my chest > or my back, and I really don’t feel this way after eating.  Could this still be > heartburn??  Please respond by

Before you buy.

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being the big tip off for me. When I drink milk, my heartburn gets GET CHECKED OUT BY YOUR DOC! Hope we helped you and let us know what you find out! :)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Moses here: It sounds like you have a heartburn problem. But consider > this, it is possible you also have an ulcer. One doesn’t exclude the > other. You need to visit the Doc!!! If you wait, problems like this > often get worse. And if it it a cancer of some sort, it is also a sooner > the better situation as regards visiting the Doc. > Sincerely Moses Clarke > I am a twenty-one year old female that may have a problem with > heartburn.  I > persistently feel sick in the area behing my breast bone.  It is most > severe in > the morning when I wake up and a little bit less at night while trying > to > sleep.  I have found that a glass of milk by itself is an instant > relief, but > temporary.  I rarely feel like eating anything when I feel like this, > but food > sometimes relieves that sick feeling as well.  I do not have pains in > my chest > or my back, and I really don’t feel this way after eating.  Could this > still be > heartburn??  Please respond by > Before you buy.

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that’s interesting…. I have GERD (not an ulcer) and tuna packed in water (and fresh fish which is fresh and not greasy) always makes me feel a lot better. And I switched from regular milk to soy milk and that has made a big difference.  Len – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > being the big tip off for me. When I drink milk, my heartburn gets > GET CHECKED OUT BY YOUR DOC! > Hope we helped you and let us know what you find out! > :) > Moses here: It sounds like you have a heartburn problem. But consider > this, it is possible you also have an ulcer. One doesn’t exclude the > other. You need to visit the Doc!!! If you wait, problems like this > often get worse. And if it it a cancer of some sort, it is also a sooner > the better situation as regards visiting the Doc. > Sincerely Moses Clarke > > I am a twenty-one year old female that may have a problem with > heartburn.  I > > persistently feel sick in the area behing my breast bone.  It is most > severe in > > the morning when I wake up and a little bit less at night while trying > to > > sleep.  I have found that a glass of milk by itself is an instant > relief, but > > temporary.  I rarely feel like eating anything when I feel like this, > but food > > sometimes relieves that sick feeling as well.  I do not have pains in > my chest > > or my back, and I really don’t feel this way after eating.  Could this > still be > > heartburn??  Please respond by > Before you buy.

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Nitro

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This may seem like an odd question to ask this group, but has anyone ever heard of a Nitro relieving Gerd  pain? Thanks for any in site any of you may have–Beryl W.

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Nitro is prescribed to relieve esophageal spasms which can be very painful. Heartburn and Gastro Esophageal Reflux web page: http://www.heartburn-help.com

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I have coronary artery disease (bigtime), and I carry nitro with me everywhere. I have taken nitro for chest pain, and felt relief, but subsequent angiograms revealed no further progression of the CAD. GERD was suspected at the time, but other than these occasional angina-like symptoms there was no real sign of it… ..until recently, when an endoscopy revealed the presence of Barrett’s Esophagus, which is apparently a de facto sign of long-term, persistent GERD. But I’m one of those people who doesn’t experience the reflux as "heartburn" or anything like it. So it is entirely possible that sometimes when I think I’m experiencing angina, it’s really reflux, and the nitro I take does relieve it anyway. I’m on Prilosec again (I’ve been on and off it before with no apparent effect, but that was before this endoscopy), so it’ll be interesting to see if from now on all my chest pains are angina. RichC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > This may seem like an odd question to ask this group, but has anyone > ever heard of a Nitro relieving Gerd  pain? Thanks for any in site any > of you may have–Beryl W.

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> I am looking for info. on Nitro Bass Boats. I would appreciate any comments on > this line of boats.

Try Skeeter instead;  far more boat for the same money! WW

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I am looking for info. on Nitro Bass Boats. I would appreciate any comments on this line of boats.

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Rich, > I am looking for info on Nitro Bass Boats.  I would appreciate any comments on > this line of boats.

My first boat was a little Nitro 160 TF with a 50 hp Force motor.  I thought it was a good little boat for the money.  The major drawbacks were the shallow Vee hull which made it difficult to trailer or approach a dock and the wet ride (spray in the face) once on plane.  I can’t comment on the reliability because I only had it about six months before I traded it in on a bigger boat.  One of the things that was a real disappointment was the trailer.  It could best be described as a total disaster – very poor quality control – no, make that, no quality control.  In hind sight, I still think it was a good boat for the money.  And if I had a bigger garage, I’d still have it.  However, I wouldn’t go with the Force motor and I would have the biggest motor the transom would hold. Richard

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Rich, > I am looking for info on Nitro Bass Boats.  I would appreciate any comments on > this line of boats. > My first boat was a little Nitro 160 TF with a 50 hp Force motor.  I > thought it was a good little boat for the money.  The major drawbacks > were the shallow Vee hull which made it difficult to trailer or approach > a dock and the wet ride (spray in the face) once on plane.  I can’t > comment on the reliability because I only had it about six months before > I traded it in on a bigger boat.  One of the things that was a real > disappointment was the trailer.  It could best be described as a total > disaster – very poor quality control – no, make that, no quality > control.  In hind sight, I still think it was a good boat for the > money.  And if I had a bigger garage, I’d still have it.  However, I > wouldn’t go with the Force motor and I would have the biggest motor the > transom would hold.

I have a 1993 Nitro 180TF with a 115HP Evinrude….  I couldn’t agree more with Richard’s analysis of the trailer and motor size,  but I can’t really say on the Force Outboard… The boat spray doesn’t really seem to be too much of a problem in my 180….and overall,  the boat fishes real well…to bad they scrimped so bad on the trailer.  Does anyone else seem to have as much problem with their trailers as we Nitro owners have????  Have they improved them at all??? — "He who knows not, and knows not that he knows not, is a fool. Shun him. He who knows not, and knows that he knows not, is a child. Teach him. He who knows, and knows not that he knows, is asleep. Wake him. He who knows, and knows that he knows, is wise. Follow him."—Author unkown

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a new medicine for pain

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me for pain that has no side affects on the stomach or liver….the name of it is Celebrex (Celecoxib) she says it is new on the market and i have yet to find anything about it but i will be doing some research on it today…..i’m in recovery and can not take any narcotics for pain plus with a bad stomach and hepatitus c i have to be very careful of what i take….i will let you know if this works….i’m on 300mg of ultram right now and it does not help the pain in the back and legs which makes walking out of the question…. peggy

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Hello Peggy, I have been on Celebrex 200mg. for about three weeks now and I can’t really say it has helped me at all.  I do know that when I started taking it, I had stomach problems for a couple days.  Hope it works for you…..Fatron & PJ

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>me for pain that has no side affects on the stomach or liver….the >name of it is Celebrex (Celecoxib) she says it is new on the market >and i have yet to find anything about it but i will be doing some research on it today.

I hope you do your investigation soon. COX-2 Inhibitors and Celebrex – Safe or Suspect?     http://onhealth.com/ch1/in-depth/item/item,40354_1_1.asp

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Don, again I want to thank you for some valuable information.  I am just using samples right now and think I may have to talk to my doctor about this when I go see him this coming Wednesday.  Thanks again…….Fatron & PJ

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Hey Peggy, I was on Celebrex for 2 months, but stopped taking it cause it didn`t help me. I hope                                                      Good Luck JanisD — janisD in SaultSte.Marie  (

Prilosec

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Yep–I forgot about that!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> And lot’s of Gas. > Larry > By "problems", I’m assuming you mean side effects.  Prilosec can cause > abdominal pain and diahrrea.  When I was on it, I had both. > > I was surprised to hear that Prilosec is the largest selling drug in the > > United States. Sales of $5 Billion. Over 60 million heartburn suffers. > What > > is that 1 in 4 people? I thought Prilosec had been on the market for > many > > years. Are there potential problems we should know about? > > Larry

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Try digestive enzymes such as Betaine HCL and pancreatic enzymes and you will be able to digest your food. Prilosec blocks the production of HCL thereby setting up an e There is a condition called Polysystemic Candidiasis This yeast eats sugar and  excretes a toxin called acetaldehyde  which depresses the immune system.  Wm. Crook, MD wrote a book called The Yeast Connection.  Read it and search out a physician  in your area and get well instead  of lining the pockets of the MD’s. for a free self questionaire with answers  to determine if "Yeast Problems could be  part of your problem with your health send email to Dr. W. S. Swanson, D.C. Chiropractic Physician 6171 Central Ave. St. Petersburg, FL 33710 1-727-343-1738-Voice over 20 years experience with nutritional therapy I also have an Acupuncture Physician  on staffnvirionment to poorly digest your foods and they will rot instead.They will find out in the future that prilosec ciontributes to untold numbers of diseases.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I was surprised to hear that Prilosec is the largest selling drug in the > United States. Sales of $5 Billion. Over 60 million heartburn suffers. What > is that 1 in 4 people? I thought Prilosec had been on the market for many > years. Are there potential problems we should know about? > Larry > Moses here: I understand the FDA rejected the marketing of Prilosec as > an OTC med. They felt that they didn’t have a long enough history of > safety. Or so they said. > BW   Moses Clarke > Before you buy.

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By "problems", I’m assuming you mean side effects.  Prilosec can cause abdominal pain and diahrrea.  When I was on it, I had both.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I was surprised to hear that Prilosec is the largest selling drug in the > United States. Sales of $5 Billion. Over 60 million heartburn suffers. What > is that 1 in 4 people? I thought Prilosec had been on the market for many > years. Are there potential problems we should know about? > Larry

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And lot’s of Gas. Larry

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> By "problems", I’m assuming you mean side effects.  Prilosec can cause > abdominal pain and diahrrea.  When I was on it, I had both. > I was surprised to hear that Prilosec is the largest selling drug in the > United States. Sales of $5 Billion. Over 60 million heartburn suffers. > What > is that 1 in 4 people? I thought Prilosec had been on the market for many > years. Are there potential problems we should know about? > Larry

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Moses here: I understand the FDA rejected the marketing of Prilosec as an OTC med. They felt that they didn’t have a long enough history of safety. Or so they said. BW   Moses Clarke Before you buy.

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I was surprised to hear that Prilosec is the largest selling drug in the United States. Sales of $5 Billion. Over 60 million heartburn suffers. What is that 1 in 4 people? I thought Prilosec had been on the market for many years. Are there potential problems we should know about? Larry

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Moses here: I understand the FDA rejected the marketing of Prilosec as > an OTC med. They felt that they didn’t have a long enough history of > safety. Or so they said. > BW   Moses Clarke > Before you buy.

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I’ve been taking Prilosec about 6 six weeks now for my refux esophagus. Along with my chest pain (yes, I’ve eliminated heart as the problem with several EKGs including a Myocardial Stress test) I get a tingling or burning sensation along my arms and legs inside the thigh above the knees. Has anyone experienced anything like this with relux esophagus or with taking Prilosec ? Lou.

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That’s what drove me to the Dr. in the first place. The chest/arm/neck & upper back (between the shoulder blades) discomfort and that awful feeling in the back of my throat (kinda like a lump on the back of the tongue, or a mild swelling of the tongue.) I, too have eliminated heart problems with the same tests as you mentioned. As for the tingling sensation I get some of that In my hands/arms. But I use Prevacid & Sucralfate rather than Prilosec. I think it has more to do with the condition than the Rx. Perhaps a bit of anxiety brought on by it. Carol – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I’ve been taking Prilosec about 6 six weeks now for my refux esophagus. >Along with my chest pain (yes, I’ve eliminated heart as the problem with >several EKGs including a Myocardial Stress test) I get a tingling or burning >sensation along my arms and legs inside the thigh above the knees. Has >anyone experienced anything like this with relux esophagus or with taking >Prilosec ? >Lou.

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        Will taking Prilosec allow me to occasionally eat some of those forbidden foods like chocolate, spaghetti sauce, and even the worst for me – garlic? I’m not talking eating these on a regular basis, but it would be great if once a week I could eat a chocolate bar if I’m taking Prilosec. I have a hernia.

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>        Will taking Prilosec allow me to occasionally eat some of those forbidden >foods like chocolate, spaghetti sauce, and even the worst for me – garlic? >I’m not talking eating these on a regular basis, but it would be great if >once a week I could eat a chocolate bar if I’m taking Prilosec. I have a >hernia.

I guess it depends on how "bad" your problem is. I’ve been on Prilosec for 2 1/2 months now.  In my case, I cut my coffee consuption down from 4 to 5 cups/day to 1 or 2 in the morning only. I still cannot tolerate chocolate but am able to enjoy tomato sauce but instead of pouring it on top of spaghetti like I use to do, I just add enough to make it red. Lou.

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>Will taking Prilosec allow me to occasionally eat some of those forbidden

foods like chocolate, spaghetti sauce, and even the worst for me – garlic?< I have been taking Prilosec for two years. I started out only being able to eat a bland diet. Now I find I can eat some chocolate, oranges and ketchup without a problem. Even Pizza with a light tomato sauce. But everyone is different. You have to keep experimenting to see what you can eat and what will continue to bother you. Heartburn and Gastro Esophageal Reflux web page: http://members.aol.com/HawkTear/index.html

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> >Will taking Prilosec allow me to occasionally eat some of those forbidden foods like chocolate, spaghetti sauce, and even the worst for me – garlic?<

Two and a half years for me.  Before, eating one cookie would kill me. Had pretty constant heartburn and lived on Tums.  W/ 20 mg. a day of Prilosec, I can eat really whatever I want, except that pizza for three straight meals sometimes causes some sensation.   …MK

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I have just been diagnosed as having  acid reflux and a hiatal hernia. Have had  laser throat surgery for snoring (which has not abated!) and have been having what I thought was nasal drainage plus at times havbe been getting a raspy voice.  I thought perhpas it might be surgery related.  Doctor gave me a prescription for Prilosec. I noticed on the pamphlet that came with the medicine that one is not suppose to take it for more than two-three weeks at a time. ( He is on a leave right now so can’t ask him) However, I have notice on this NG that many have indicated they have been taking Prilosec for a year or more. Have I misunderstood the info or is it ok to take on a regular basis? Is there a natural substance that can also be used to treat acid reflux? Thanks, Jerry

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Moses here: I have seen a recent copy of the drug manufacturers insert. It stated that the maintenance dose for GERD is 20 milligrams. You have an old insert that was dictated by the FDA. Bureaucrats covering their back end orifices. Huge doses caused some problem in our freinds the lab rats. So there is a risk in theory, but it so far so good at medical sized doses in humans. I ran around looking for the copy…..couldn’t find it…. so you’ll have to trust my memory. Some people take 40 milligrams on prolonged/premanent/maintenance basis. Albeit the higher dose would no doubt be more likely to cause side effects. Trust but Verify   Moses Clarke * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have just been diagnosed as having  acid reflux and a hiatal hernia. Have > had  laser throat surgery for snoring (which has not abated!) and have been > having what I thought was nasal drainage plus at times havbe been getting a > raspy voice.  I thought perhpas it might be surgery related. >  Doctor gave me a prescription for Prilosec. I noticed on the pamphlet that > came with the medicine that one is not suppose to take it for more than > two-three weeks at a time. ( He is on a leave right now so can’t ask him) > However, I have notice on this NG that many have indicated they have been > taking Prilosec for a year or more. Have I misunderstood the info or is it > ok to take on a regular basis? > Is there a natural substance that can also be used to treat acid reflux? > Thanks, > Jerry > I have been taking Prevacid for almost two months and it works great for me. Previous to that I was taking Ranitidine for six months, then Pantoloc for one month, and then back on Ranitidine for four months. For the past thirteen months, I have been taking medication for GERD on a daily basis. According to my family doctor, many people take medication for Gerd indefinitely. I know someone who has been taking Prilosec(Losec in Canada) for two years plus on a daily basis. Her gastr put her on this medication. I should ask my gastro if I should take Prevacid indefinitely or if I should return to ranitidine for a few weeks and then to Prevacid. I always felt some twinges while on ranitidine so it was not totally effective. Ask your doctor just to make sure.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have just been diagnosed as having  acid reflux and a hiatal hernia. Have > had  laser throat surgery for snoring (which has not abated!) and have been > having what I thought was nasal drainage plus at times havbe been getting a > raspy voice.  I thought perhpas it might be surgery related. >  Doctor gave me a prescription for Prilosec. I noticed on the pamphlet that > came with the medicine that one is not suppose to take it for more than > two-three weeks at a time. ( He is on a leave right now so can’t ask him) > However, I have notice on this NG that many have indicated they have been > taking Prilosec for a year or more. Have I misunderstood the info or is it > ok to take on a regular basis? > Is there a natural substance that can also be used to treat acid reflux? > Thanks, > Jerry >Many people take Prilosec and other PPI medications on a regular basis. I have been taking medication for thirteen months. I have been on Prevacid for two months, and it works quite well. If there is a natural substance to treat reflux, you would have to see if it is just as effective as Prilosec. If not, stick with the Prilosec. Ask you doctor.

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Hi All, Someone mentioned the nasty side effects Prilosec. What are these, please? Thank you, Larry

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Moses here: In short, stomach pains almost to the point of stomach cramps. Indeed, this is the side effect that is shown in the Statistics as found in the PDR …..which is just the drug company’s insert that the pharmist should/could have given you. In the test subjects numbering 2631, 5.2 percent of patients had abdominal pain. In the placebo group numbering 120, 3.3 percent had this problem. Of course GERD and ulcer sufferers already have abdominal pain. Then here are the rarer adverse reactions, which maybe the result this drug or this class of drug or the disease or even the H-2 blocker the patient had taking before and which occur in less that 1% of cases. Who knows? Who knows everything? Reducing the dose to 20 mgs from 40 mgs might help or switching to Aciphex might help or it might not. This is what a coworker did. By the way, H-2 blockers can have nasty effects while not suppressing the acid levels enough to permit complete relief. Sincerely Moses Clarke > Hi All, > Someone mentioned the nasty side effects Prilosec. What are these, please? > Thank you, > Larry

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Thank You, Moses, I was talking to a Doctor, not as a patient and he told me Prilosec is a very powerful drug. What ever that meant. I also seem to have a lots of gas since starting prolisec. Thank you again, Larry

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Moses here: In short, stomach pains almost to the point of stomach > cramps. Indeed, this is the side effect that is shown in the Statistics > as found in the PDR …..which is just the drug company’s insert that > the pharmist should/could have given you. In the test subjects numbering > 2631, 5.2 percent of patients had abdominal pain. In the placebo group > numbering 120, 3.3 percent had this problem. Of course GERD and ulcer > sufferers already have abdominal pain. Then here are the rarer adverse > reactions, which maybe the result this drug or this class of drug or the > disease or even the H-2 blocker the patient had taking before and which > occur in less that 1% of cases. Who knows? Who knows everything? > Reducing the dose to 20 mgs from 40 mgs might help or switching to > Aciphex might help or it might not. This is what a coworker did. > By the way, H-2 blockers can have nasty effects while not suppressing > the acid levels enough to permit complete relief. > Sincerely Moses Clarke > Hi All, > Someone mentioned the nasty side effects Prilosec. What are these, > please? > Thank you, > Larry > Before you buy.

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Personally I found the side effects of Losec(UK) just too much.  I was trying it again about 2 months ago in desperation but had to stop. Apart from the abdominal pain – pain was my main symptom anyway and it just got worse – there was more joint pain, diarrhoea and just feeling unwell.  Now back on Zantac with end of bed raised and feeling better. BUT, Losec is the worlds best selling drug I hear so maybe I’m in a minority.DT – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Thank You, Moses, >I was talking to a Doctor, not as a patient and he told me Prilosec is a >very powerful drug. What ever that meant. I also seem to have a lots of gas >since starting prolisec. >Thank you again, >Larry > Moses here: In short, stomach pains almost to the point of stomach > cramps. Indeed, this is the side effect that is shown in the Statistics > as found in the PDR …..which is just the drug company’s insert that > the pharmist should/could have given you. In the test subjects numbering > 2631, 5.2 percent of patients had abdominal pain. In the placebo group > numbering 120, 3.3 percent had this problem. Of course GERD and ulcer > sufferers already have abdominal pain. Then here are the rarer adverse > reactions, which maybe the result this drug or this class of drug or the > disease or even the H-2 blocker the patient had taking before and which > occur in less that 1% of cases. Who knows? Who knows everything? > Reducing the dose to 20 mgs from 40 mgs might help or switching to > Aciphex might help or it might not. This is what a coworker did. > By the way, H-2 blockers can have nasty effects while not suppressing > the acid levels enough to permit complete relief. > Sincerely Moses Clarke > > Hi All, > > Someone mentioned the nasty side effects Prilosec. What are these, > please? > > Thank you, > > Larry > Before you buy.

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> Thank You, Moses, > I was talking to a Doctor, not as a patient and he told me Prilosec is a > very powerful drug. What ever that meant. I also seem to have a lots of gas > since starting prolisec.

Everyone reacts differently.  My doctor told me to take 20mg Prilosec before supper each day.  But that wasn’t working for me at all.  Becuase I never have problems at night, I really needed to take 40mg before breakfast.  Fortunately, my doctor and insurance company are going along with this regimen for now. I have atypical GERD.  I never have heartburn, but my syptoms were/are very much pharyngeal, with a sore throat and tonsils, sour, stinging taste, etc.  I tried reducing my dose from 40mg to 20mg but I quickly realized that I need 40mg. I’m hoping that the new Stretta and Bard surgeries turn out to work well, because I really don’t want to take Prilosec for the rest of my life.  But at least it is working for me, and with no side effects. -Alan Harder If you ever reach total enlightenment while you’re drinking a beer, I bet it makes beer shoot out your nose. Before you buy.

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Alan, and group My symptoms were also pharyngeal along with real bad heartburn. Did you get the non productive cough? I found I could go all day long without coughing as long as I did not talk. As soon as I tried to talk I would start the cough. 20mg a day of Prilosec removes all symptoms. If I eat the wrong food or have a very stressful day I will start to notice some of the pharyngeal symptoms only. If I increase the Prilosec to 40 mg a day they will subside… I put some info about the Stretta and Bard procedures on the Heartburn-help web site. Stretta has promised that they will send some more information soon. Heartburn and Gastro Esophageal Reflux web page: http://www.heartburn-help.com

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I have the cough, and the heartburn, and the pharyngeal symptoms and it gets as extreme as aspiration of the gastric fluids. I have had some bronchitis as a result of the GERD. I have swithched from every GERD med. (over the last 10 years) to Aciphex 20mg in the morning (6 weeks ago), and the results are amazing to me. I have absoluely no more symptoms. I still sleep with the head of my bed elevated but I am ready to try a few nights with it flat. I was ok’d for a Nissen this spring but my insurance changed so I waited. Now I have been to see a Doc who is 1 of 6 doing the Bard’s procedure. He said I was a good candidate (don’t they all?), but it is not covered by my insurance yet. I am looking for reasons not to have the Bard’s done when the procedure is approved. I am going to take a look at your website, Hawk Tear!  :) Ed W – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Alan, and group >My symptoms were also pharyngeal along with real bad heartburn. Did you get the >non productive cough? I found I could go all day long without coughing as long >as I did not talk. As soon as I tried to talk I would start the cough. 20mg a >day of Prilosec removes all symptoms. If I eat the wrong food or have a very >stressful day I will start to notice some of the pharyngeal symptoms only. If I >increase the Prilosec to 40 mg a day they will subside… >I put some info about the Stretta and Bard procedures on the Heartburn-help web >site. Stretta has promised that they will send some more information soon. >Heartburn and Gastro Esophageal Reflux web page: http://www.heartburn-help.com

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I had the laproscoptic nissen performed exactly one week ago today.  I only needed pain medication the night of the surgery.  I’m able to burp fine, but I do have a lot of gas.  The worst part so far is the itchy rash I developed around the six incisions.  I was on prilosec for nearly 2 years before this and prevacid for a few months.  My indigestion would come back within a day or two of stopping the medication.  But now, I haven’t taken a pill since my surgery and have absolutely no reflux.  The diet sucks (liquid for at least two weeks), but the relief is great.  I’d recommend the surgery to anyone that doesn’t like the side effects of the meds or doesn’t want to stay on meds for the rest of their life. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have the cough, and the heartburn, and the pharyngeal symptoms and > it gets as extreme as aspiration of the gastric fluids. I have had > some bronchitis as a result of the GERD. I have swithched from every > GERD med. (over the last 10 years) to Aciphex 20mg in the morning (6 > weeks ago), and the results are amazing to me. I have absoluely no > more symptoms. I still sleep with the head of my bed elevated but I am > ready to try a few nights with it flat. > I was ok’d for a Nissen this spring but my insurance changed so I > waited. Now I have been to see a Doc who is 1 of 6 doing the Bard’s > procedure. He said I was a good candidate (don’t they all?), but it is > not covered by my insurance yet. I am looking for reasons not to have > the Bard’s done when the procedure is approved. I am going to take a > look at your website, Hawk Tear!  :) > Ed W >Alan, and group >My symptoms were also pharyngeal along with real bad heartburn. Did you get the >non productive cough? I found I could go all day long without coughing as long >as I did not talk. As soon as I tried to talk I would start the cough. 20mg a >day of Prilosec removes all symptoms. If I eat the wrong food or have a very >stressful day I will start to notice some of the pharyngeal symptoms only. If I >increase the Prilosec to 40 mg a day they will subside… >I put some info about the Stretta and Bard procedures on the Heartburn-help web >site. Stretta has promised that they will send some more information soon. >Heartburn and Gastro Esophageal Reflux web page:

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Moses here: Now the question is will the repair hold or will it gradually fail over time. I’ll bet the Doc told you it will loosen up some and not to worry about the fact that solid foods will tend pile up behind the repair during the first couple of months. The real test will be one year, five years, and ten years into the future. For some these "fixs" seem to just keeping getting more loose til the LES is incompetent again!! In others they seem to hold fairly well. Keep us posted. Please if you would, share some of your best ideas as to getting along with heartburn from your life before the operation. Oh, by the way you got one more scar than my wife…..including the one thru the belly button/hole area. Best Wishes  Moses Clarke – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I had the laproscoptic nissen performed exactly one week ago today.  I only > needed pain medication the night of the surgery.  I’m able to burp fine, but > I do have a lot of gas.  The worst part so far is the itchy rash I developed > around the six incisions.  I was on prilosec for nearly 2 years before this > and prevacid for a few months.  My indigestion would come back within a day > or two of stopping the medication.  But now, I haven’t taken a pill since my > surgery and have absolutely no reflux.  The diet sucks (liquid for at least > two weeks), but the relief is great.  I’d recommend the surgery to anyone > that doesn’t like the side effects of the meds or doesn’t want to stay on > meds for the rest of their life.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have the cough, and the heartburn, and the pharyngeal symptoms and > it gets as extreme as aspiration of the gastric fluids. I have had > some bronchitis as a result of the GERD. I have swithched from every > GERD med. (over the last 10 years) to Aciphex 20mg in the morning (6 > weeks ago), and the results are amazing to me. I have absoluely no > more symptoms. I still sleep with the head of my bed elevated but I am > ready to try a few nights with it flat. > I was ok’d for a Nissen this spring but my insurance changed so I > waited. Now I have been to see a Doc who is 1 of 6 doing the Bard’s > procedure. He said I was a good candidate (don’t they all?), but it is > not covered by my insurance yet. I am looking for reasons not to have > the Bard’s done when the procedure is approved. I am going to take a > look at your website, Hawk Tear!  :) > Ed W > >Alan, and group > >My symptoms were also pharyngeal along with real bad heartburn. Did you > get the > >non productive cough? I found I could go all day long without coughing as > long > >as I did not talk. As soon as I tried to talk I would start the cough. > 20mg a > >day of Prilosec removes all symptoms. If I eat the wrong food or have a > very > >stressful day I will start to notice some of the pharyngeal symptoms > only. If I > >increase the Prilosec to 40 mg a day they will subside… > >I put some info about the Stretta and Bard procedures on the > Heartburn-help web > >site. Stretta has promised that they will send some more information > soon. > >Heartburn and Gastro Esophageal Reflux web page: > http://www.heartburn-help.com

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Relief at last

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Hi all From what I read on the box Zoton is Lansoprazole. It’s all greek to me, I just know that one a day gives me no heartburn or reflux. Regards Richard.

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>Hi all >From what I read on the box Zoton is Lansoprazole. >It’s all greek to me, I just know that one a day gives me no heartburn or >reflux. >Regards Richard.

Aha. It’s what the US calls Prevacid – it’s similar in action to Omeprazole (Losec). Looks like good stuff. More griff: http://www.gi.ucalgary.ca/sponsors/abbott/clinical_abstracts/intro.html http://www.accp.com/pharmacotherapy/Abs17_2/308.htm                                                           Simon Pride                                               Technical User Services                             University of Cambridge Computing Service

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Hi I live in the UK. I’ve suffered in silence for years with heartburn and reflux. The Doc. has now subscribed Zoton 15mg, this has given me instant relief. He says I’ll probably need them long term. Regards Richard

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>Hi >I live in the UK. >I’ve suffered in silence for years with heartburn and reflux. >The Doc. has now subscribed Zoton 15mg, this has given me instant relief. >He says I’ll probably need them long term. >Regards Richard

What’s Zoton, Richard? I’m on 20 mg of Pepcid twice daily, which seems to be doing the job, but I get some reflux now and again depending what and when I’ve eaten /drunk. What else have you tried befor Zoton?                                                           Simon Pride                                               Technical User Services                             University of Cambridge Computing Service

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>Hi >I live in the UK. >I’ve suffered in silence for years with heartburn and reflux. >The Doc. has now subscribed Zoton 15mg, this has given me instant relief. >He says I’ll probably need them long term.

I’m also in the UK – my doctor prescribed Ranitidine which I found to be highly effective. John. —              http://www.evenlode.demon.co.uk         John Mann — Banbury — Oxfordshire — UK

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Yes…I would also like to know about Zoton..I have never heard of it before.  What class of drug is it? Be Well, Cathy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hi >I live in the UK. >I’ve suffered in silence for years with heartburn and reflux. >The Doc. has now subscribed Zoton 15mg, this has given me instant relief. >He says I’ll probably need them long term. >Regards Richard >What’s Zoton, Richard? >I’m on 20 mg of Pepcid twice daily, which seems to be doing the job, >but I get some reflux now and again depending what and when I’ve eaten >/drunk. What else have you tried befor Zoton? >                                                          Simon Pride >                                              Technical User Services >                            University of Cambridge Computing Service

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Desparate!

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"This message was written by my wife MARGARET, using my internet account" Desperately Seeking Relief I am a 44 year old woman who has had heartburn and stomach pain for about 15 years. I have been on Tagamet and several similar medications when I had a flare up about five years ago. I went to see a Gastroenterologist and he did a Gastroscopy and a Motility test and said that I have Gastroesophageal Reflux. He put me on Losec. It took awhile for the medication to work and I had no problems for about five years. Subsequently I experienced further attacks of  heartburn and stomach pain. I returned to the Gastroenterologist, what a mistake! He put me on Prevacid but after about 5 months I still had heartburn so I thought I would go back and talk to the Gastroenterologist again. He told me that he could not help me and referred me to a Surgeon. The Surgeon happened to be Surgeon In Chief at a small suburban Hospital who recommended that I have a Laparoscopy Nissen Fundiplication done because I was still so young and I would not have to take any medication any more. He made it sound so good I had the surgery booked within a couple of weeks. No tests were done though he made reference to an examination and Gastroscopy performed by my Gastroenterologist five years ago. Its been over two months now since I had the surgery. I am now suffering from extreme nausea, aching and gnawing pain in the upper part of my stomach and a feeling of heaviness and sharp gripping spasm pain in my upper stomach that  feels as if it shoots through my chest to my back. I am always belching and my throat feels like it is closing. When I explained these symptoms to the Surgeon, his reply was he did not know what caused these things and he has no answer for me. He has never heard of these symptoms developing after this operation. He has done a Esophageal Dilation three times, to open further the new entry to the stomach, one more is slated this week and then I am finished. These Dilations are extremely painful! Where do I go from here when the surgeon says he can not explain the origin of my complaints. I feel like I am experiencing a nightmare and wonder how long I can tolerate being nauseated with pain and discomfort in my stomach all the time. The Surgeon say he has no answers and appears to want to wash his hands of the matter. What do I do now? I have an operation to solve the problem of Gastroesophageal Reflux/Heartburn! Then recovering and discovering I’m in worst shape then before!  I reside in the Metropolitan Toronto, area, Canada. If there is anyone, anywhere, Professional or lay person or if you have undergone this operation yourself and feel like sharing your experience with myself and others PLEASE do so. Desperately Seeking Relief Margaret

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JW I am a med tech in southwestern tn about a year ago I had an attack that clinicly appeared to be a mi(heart attack)but was informed that it was EGD or reflux.An olderd RN who is an herblist told me to try chyeene pepper (capsaisin) in capsule form this over a peroid of time has reduced the number of attacks I have had  Hope this helps. If you need info on how to get capsaisin email me Steve D Stowell MLT(ASCP) http://www.public.usit.net/sstowell – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "This message was written by my wife MARGARET, using my internet account" > Desperately Seeking Relief > I am a 44 year old woman who has had heartburn and stomach pain for about > 15 years. I have been on Tagamet and several similar medications when I had > a flare up about five years ago. I went to see a Gastroenterologist and he > did a Gastroscopy and a Motility test and said that I have Gastroesophageal > Reflux.

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